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Post by Карил » Mon Mar 03, 2008 14:58

Who knows? Make or buy? Can somebody drinks? What are the results?

If you do not know here is the first link on the topic
http://www.wateroflive.ru/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Структурированная_вода

If anyone is interested I can share the film.
The first piece of the film. Only seven. I put like a week, I don't have a particularly fast Internet connection.
http://rapidshare.com/files/97028526/1_ ... 1.rar.html
Second. :)
http://rapidshare.com/files/97286800/1_ ... 2.rar.html
The third and fourth.
http://rapidshare.com/files/97525347/1_ ... 3.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/97521532/1_ ... 4.rar.html

Put the film on I do not see sense. Exactly as interested in this topic.

A shame, but what to do. :oops:

http://nkozlov.ru/library/s132/d3928/pr ... sultpage=7

April 9, 2006 on TV channel "Russia" from 18.15 to 20.00 were shown a TV film called "the Great secret of water".* The idea of the film associated with the "discovery" of the so-called fourth, information condition of water which has been her memory. After analyzing the data about the film, its creators, it referred to the facts and the names, Yu Black came to the following results.

"...Draws attention to the identity of the author of the script. Michael Wager – not a scientist, but a journalist and specialist “in esoteric knowledge, and Bondage” (original spelling preserved. That's right – “esoteric” and “Kabbalah” – J. H.). A list of his journalistic works is doubtful that he is capable of creativity in the popular science genre.

But what is actually scientific popularization? In my opinion, is an activity that is associated with the “translation” of knowledge available in a particular area of science to a public language. So “translation” can do himself a scientist, a journalist or any other person interested in science and able to understand the results. The main thing – to achieve the inevitable tradeoff between accuracy specially-scientific knowledge (for professionals generally agreed with the result of the promotion) and its accessibility to a wider audience (to “ordinary people” understood).

But without which promotion is impossible – so it's without the actual scientific knowledge, i.e. knowledge endorsed by the expert scientific community and included in the system of science. As long as the knowledge is not passed this procedure, it cannot be considered scientific. It is an axiom of scientific inquiry. Does the fact the film “Great secret of water” with the knowledge of this type? No, it has not.

Japanese “researcher” Masaru Emoto (born in 1943) the results of their work in the scientific press does not publish (this is a mandatory requirement for a person who considers himself a scientist). Moreover, he has no special natural science education. He graduated from the municipal University in Yokohama, majoring in “International relations” and then he continued his studies and in 1992 received a certificate of a doctor of alternative medicine of the Open international University of alternative medicine in Kolkata (India). The requirements for obtaining a doctoral degree at this University a minimum of one year of training, the publication of five articles and a contribution of US $ 350 (see: http://www.altmeduniversity.net/courses3.htm).[27]

The fact that the results of "studies" are outside the scope of science, did not prevent Emoto to do a successful business. The samples of the products his company I. H. M. Co., Ltd and prices can be found here: http://www.hado.net/products.html

But Emoto is wider than just business. More precisely, here the business gets the moral justification and purpose of financial backup. The challenge for the next 10 years is to increase the number of angels on the Earth who will oppose the demons (http://www.masaru-emoto.net/russian/rusdiary200602.html)".[28]

In conclusion of their study, Yu Yu Black writes: "...on the basis of pseudoscientific speculation Masaru Emoto actively creates new planetary religious movement, a religion Hado. He does not forget himself, actively promoting and selling their own products.

Understand whether it is the script writer of the film Michael Weiger, the Director and producers? In any case, the answer is sad. If you understand and are fulfilling someone's order – means deliberately engaged in falsification. If you do not understand – it means they are Amateurs and it is better to engage some other and not the popular science genre. Fortunately, the true professionals, writing about science in our country is still enough".[29]

Said Yu Yu. Black needs to add another. As it became known, the budget of the film "Great secret of water" amounted to about 13 million rubles ($500,000). The active intervention of scientific journalists and scientists helped stop the beginning, it was a noisy PR-company for promotion of the idea of structured water. It became known that among the sponsors of the film were businessmen engaged in the production and sale of water and other beverages. Some stores already have "structured water" at a price of half to two times more expensive than normal bottled. Alarmed by the fact that shortly before this was implemented, a large shopping Scam, organized on the basis of creating an excessive demand for salt. It was put rumors of its scarcity, the population rushed to buy salt. In some regions, after the disappearance from the shelves, she soon came, but at a price five times more than before. After some time, salt prices have stabilized. Someone got large profits in a short time spent on this Scam a penny. An artificially created panic around the salt can be seen as some sort of test of public consciousness on stability ahead of a possible panic around water.

We can only guess how many billions of rubles would flow into the pockets of the scammers, if people have managed to misinform and instead of plain water we would buy today, "structured", paying for it many times more expensive.<
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Post by Карил » Mon Mar 03, 2008 16:23

In principle, I gladly would have thought that this is all nonsense and would have scored if not their own experience.

10 years ago together with his brother decided to put the experience on the germination of grains (wheat I think). Three bottom from plastikovyh bottles of water from under the crane, cotton wool and a couple of dozen grains. Sat was a bottom with grains and imagined that he was well. The sun was shining, great weather and everything is super. The second sample is the opposite – that everything is bad, the ground is dry, the grains burn. The third was by itself.

The difference between the samples was very noticeable. In the first the bottom of almost all sprouted grains, uniformly green friendly ground. In the second sprouted grains are very few, about five, but they were amazing thick and twice as long than in the first sample. The third was similar to the first, only not so green and friendly. The sprouts were one-third shorter and sprouted grains less.

If all of this nonsense, what on earth different grain sprouted. Would be all the same and I would have lived in peace. :)

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Post by ВладК » Mon Mar 03, 2008 17:19

Is it possible to film on a structured water k@udm.tgc5.ru ? Interesting!

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Post by Карил » Mon Mar 03, 2008 18:53

Mail will not fit because it weighs 700 MB. I put on rapidshare.com

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Post by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:52

I since July of last year active only drink alkaline water, it is also structured. Also the so-called "living water".
Get with the help of a special device, manufactured in Korea water Activity (a strong antioxidant) is stored in a closed glass vessel for up to 8 hours, structure (the molecules are grouped in clusters of 5-6 molecules, whereas before the process of activating the clusters consisted of up to 25 molecules) for about a day. Alkalinity is maintained all the time.
The results have been spectacular.I feel great. If before the body was zachislen, now normal. Anyway when playing sports and almost daily use of the infrared cabin cleaning body at the cellular level.

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Post by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2008 21:49

look at the website www.sam-sebe-doktor.narod.ru I use 3 year the effect is striking!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2008 21:54

activated water can be upotreblyat no more glasses per day (bacteria die in the gut)

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Post by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2008 23:41

Гость wrote:activated water can upotreblyat no more glasses per day (bacteria die in the gut)
where such infa?????
I have another infa (mainly taken from the books of German doctors who carried out the treatment with the water ), I drink only water , at least 2 liters a day, cook everything on the water.
And what about the "dropping of the bacteria", I'm on this water to grow your own Kombucha (which is known as symbiosis of different bacteria),then they like the water. :)

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Post by Карил » Tue Mar 04, 2008 23:47

Anonymous wrote:activated water can upotreblyat no more glasses per day (bacteria die in the gut)
Behaves silver plated water. Microscopic amounts of silver almost to the tank of water enough that the water has become a strong disinfectant composition.

I'm not sure yet that structured water exists. :? But judging from what I read on the website Biola (one of the producers of such water), this water does not kill bacteria. Moreover if it is to dilute the milk and put in a warm place to turn sour for a month, then it turn sour to turn sour of course. But mold on it will not be as pathogenic germs in the water do not live. And lactic acid, bifidobacteria Vice versa. :) I'm thinking to buy the water to try whether so it actually. If mold is not, then I probably will like. :oops:

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Post by Карил » Tue Mar 04, 2008 23:49

Мирали wrote:I since July of last year active only drink alkaline water, it is also structured. Also the so-called "living water".
Get with the help of a special device, manufactured in Korea.
What kind of device is called? Can you provide a link to the manufacturer?

Can put the experience with the souring of milk? Very interesting whether structured milk diluted with water will not mold.

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Post by Guest » Wed Mar 05, 2008 0:30

Карил wrote:What kind of device is called? Can you provide a link to the manufacturer?
on this website
http://www.ionshop.de/product_info.php? ... e0ipl5ikt5

http://www.ionshop.de/informationen.php ... ZwoddE-bqA
Карил wrote:Can supply the experience with the souring of milk? Very interesting whether structured milk diluted with water will not mold.
hardly, the German, the milk does not sour :roll:

And as I mentioned structured water remains structured not a long time.

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Post by Карил » Wed Mar 05, 2008 13:19

Мирали wrote:Unlikely, the German, the milk does not sour :roll:
Weird. But if there is a little bit of yogurt to put in? :)

German I don't know oooo.... Vapche do not understand :(

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Post by Dimas » Wed Mar 05, 2008 13:26

Hmm,a little expensive for the structuring of water I think...that's where I saw our scientists developed a cheaper unit for the same purpose,just can't remember the website and the name(((

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Post by Guest » Wed Mar 05, 2008 18:48

Dimas
agree with you about expensive, but it is only at first glance. I have this unit paid for itself within 7 months. The fact that previously bought the water "Volvic" or "Evian".
And in General, nothing complicated about this device. It's a shame that the idea of Koreans "stole" from the Russians.
I have found different ways of structuring of water, but here still plays a big role in activating water ( change its oxidation-reduction potential (redox potential) and alkalinity.
Introduction from Wikipedia : "Oxidation-reduction potential determined by electrochemical methods and expressed in millivolts (mV) relative to the standard hydrogen electrode under standard conditions."
So active alkaline water -400mV, water from a source of +150, mineral +250mV, in tap +300mV . You feel the difference?
That's why she is the strongest antioxidant. A glass of fresh of water is equal in its antioxidant effect to eat 10 lemons to achieve the same result. And... it is important to know that the negative redox potential indicates that the more the molecule elektronov, the more energy.

Almost all people have noted perechisleno of the organism (stress, "dirty"foods,drinks, especially Coca Cola,coffee, etc., etc.). It can determine passing the blood or by using pH strips, which are sold in pharmacies. Although these pH strips designed for urine, but they checked and pH of saliva.
Though it needs to do the following manipulation. To collect saliva in the mouth and swallow it , then repeat it two more times and on the third time only to swallow and moisten with a saliva litmus test. Then check the rock.
All of pH below 7 indicate zakislenna of the body.
Ideally between pH 7,2 - 7,4
With constant use of water, pH is perfect.

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Post by Карил » Wed Mar 05, 2008 23:17

Мирали wrote:what don't you understand, there kartinochke very clear there, and if you really want to understand, then use this translator http://www.translate.ru/text.asp#tr_form itself English in this way translate.
Well, the price I was able to read. :) I just used to read a foreign language without a dictionary, although other sites did not read. And then the letters of the English, and nothing is clear. :roll: Although as they say smart will find the solution, and the lazy looking for a reason not to do it. :oops:

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Post by Саин » Thu Mar 06, 2008 19:06

In the sale of any <live> or <dead> no water, but you can buy a small device - a cell (or even make it yourself).

The device is very simple: two electrodes (pieces of metal) down in plain water, and one of them is placed in a semipermeable membrane (canvas pouch), and a rectifier included in the network. The process of partial electrolysis, and formed positively charged hydrogen ions - protons that accumulate in the pouch (it <dead> water) to the extent banks around the other electrode accumulate negative hydroxide ions (this <living> water). The inventors claim that <dead> water has antiseptic properties, reduces pain in joints, etc., and <living> water heals fresh wounds and improves digestion.

From the point of view of the chemist, all the effects observed in the impact <alive>, and <dead> water, due to acid-basic properties of these fluids. <Living> water has a mild alkaline reaction, and <dead> acid. To obtain these <wonderful> liquids electrolysis carried out not need to throw in a glass of teaspoon of baking soda, and you have <living> water (soda solution is really beneficial for wounds). If the Cup pour a spoonful of vinegar, turn the water <dead> (the acetic acid actually has antiseptic properties).

But in any pharmacy you can get without a prescription far more powerful antiseptic and a treatment for wounds and repeatedly tested and approved by Miniexcavator of the Russian Federation - in contrast to unapproved <alive>, and <dead> water.

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Post by Guest » Thu Mar 06, 2008 20:07

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so my device is nothing but a "electrolyzer", only made by all the safety rules.
And if you dissolve the baking soda in the water, it is alkaline, but is not active and structured (have in mind that for about 8 hours, the molecules clump together in clusters of 5-6 pieces. Although the cluster "holds" very briefly, but immediately breaking down the molecules again are grouped into 5-6 pieces. Only when their energy wanes, they start to "stick together in huge clusters consisting of about 25 molecules. )
And in one of the books , which explained in detail a favorable effect on the organism of activated water I read a rather interesting explanation.
It turns out that when we drink structured water, i.e., in which the clusters consist of a large number of molecules, such water cannot get into the cell through the membrane, it must first in the body to prestrukturiranje clusters with a small number of molecules. This body has to expend extra energy.
In the example given that older people no longer feel thirsty, because the body thus strive to save energy.
So when you drink structured water is saving energy, is very important for patients with weakened. In this case, this saved energy can be used for Troubleshooting a sick place.

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Oops, the top post is mine, forgot to login

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Post by Саин » Thu Mar 06, 2008 20:12

Мирали wrote:Oops, the top post is mine, forgot to login
I learned :wink:

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Post by Александр Лазарев » Thu Mar 06, 2008 21:23

As a child, I subscribed to the magazine "Young technician" there was published an article about this device and about the water. It was about 20 years ago.

Paul Bragg in his books recommends drinking only distilled water.

But cheap analogue, suitable?
http://www.neowater.ru/index.php?produc ... 35&from=ya

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Post by Карил » Thu Mar 06, 2008 22:53

Then there is such a thing
http://www.lifesphere.ru/optim.htm

He spins the water and thereby breaks large water clusters into smaller groups. This vortex simulates a waterfall and the water is saturated with oxygen. Plus drives the mineral water through a ring that after a certain amount of time needs to be changed. In addition there are magnets. About magnetized water, I do not know, but perhaps they were not in vain. Because magnets are often used in optimizers of water.

Still sites there, which is very strange, but one description I read For this makes the water alkaline. Either I description left got. :?

5500-7500 is RUB.

Why is it so expensive for a mixer with magnets and mineral dressing I don't understand. Perhaps there still are elektrolizery installation. Perhaps a mineral ring is not cheap.

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Post by Guest » Thu Mar 06, 2008 22:54

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of course suitable, in principle, turns out, the same activated water.
Just in cheap analogue, pour water and an expensive machine connected to the water tap in the kitchen special simple device (even a small tap is screwed with the hose leading to the machine) . Normally I use hot and cold water as usual, and have water activated, the switch screwed on the tap, adjust only that water flowed a large stream, about 1 l per minute and then immediately from one flexible hose stainless steel on the unit flows alkaline water and another flexible plastic acidic. On the unit installed is the alkalinity that you want. Really need to take into account the content of CA in the water, depends on the degree of pH. If the water is too soft, then the phone has a special otverstie where to invest special capsules with calcium. Well, the phone has special filters that must be changed every half year.

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Post by Guest » Fri Mar 07, 2008 16:21

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very useful article, especially for those who use still electrodes with stainless steel.

Koreans put titanium electrodes coated with platinum.

And provides recommendations to achieve maximum health benefits from the use of the water of life associated the use of saunas (preferably all the same infra-red cabin) and fitness (or those sports where there is a load on different muscle groups and causes us to sweat a good, Nordic Walking is a perfect sport for this!).

PS When I bought my camera, it became clear that in Germany it came on the market recently. They buy it from Koreans, only just matched filters for water in Germany. When you purchase are mandatory find out what part of Germany the buyer lives and what the quality of the water. I was very lucky, it turns out the water where I live doesn't even require a filter instead of a filter I was given specially made transition tube. This means that the apparatus requires no further cost :D .

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Post by и-Ван » Fri Mar 07, 2008 16:23

Andrew, my question was not on topic, but given Your knowledge of chemistry.
I need a clean glass from the mirror. The outer layer of paint/primer I automible carefully removed. Than you can also carefully remove from the glass coated aluminium? In principle, in Moscow it is possible to buy any reagents in a specialty store, you need to know what and what to do with them. If you know how and what, tell me.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Fri Mar 07, 2008 16:27

И-Ван wrote:Andrew, my question was not on topic, but given Your knowledge of chemistry.
I need a clean glass from the mirror. The outer layer of paint/primer I automible carefully removed. Than you can also carefully remove from the glass coated aluminium? In principle, in Moscow it is possible to buy any reagents in a specialty store, you need to know what and what to do with them. If you know how and what, tell me.
Alkali (KaOH, NaOH). Be careful - the lye gives a stronger chemical burns than acid. Especially protect your eyes.

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