Structured water

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Good evening,

Would like to add information about the Northerner, which I think is important. Today called the manufacturer and found out that the Northerner pour right into the kettle and then boiled. The beneficial properties will not be affected (In-store Aquaphor I was told the opposite.) And keep in opening the bottle in the refrigerator can, in principle, infinitely long. Importantly, it did not get anything. But even if caught - after boiling the mold (which could theoretically wind up in the fridge) dies and can be used in the drink. (Written on the box that you can store only 10 days in the opened condition but the manufacturer said that only at the insistence of the Ministry of health that made the inscription.)

Started drinking about 10 days ago, me and my dog while watching. I think that we drink constantly.

[Алексей Кузнецов]

All good health and fun from life.

I drop in the drink in the proportions indicated on the package. Type in "insulin" syringe (1 ml) through a needle from a large (20 ml) syringe because a regular needle is very thin and score for a long time. In my opinion it is very convenient and certainly easier than "through" the lid of the jar, as indicated in the instructions. "Case" on the needle is worn, the syringe is in the same box with the jar, so that is not lost, and not lying around. Keep in the fridge on the wall about the same place.

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Only that the courier brought Giftwares 2.
Probably by today evening, I'll be even more happy.

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Lancelot
well, like what's the Delta on GP?

after Izumrud-si Giftwares strongly shifts the ORP ??

what's up with the pH ??

by the way, the northerner came, sent 10 bottles less than ordered, called, understood, manufacturers donated 15 bottles prichenennye for the inconvenience... now that's service I understand
(now we wait for another 25 bottles will come)

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ZOMBIE
More than happy I didn't. ORP meter has died.
The taste of the water after the ATHOL, changing, becoming better. Now.

By the way, than ORP meter clean? Someone suggested acid...
How strange it behaves. Ballyhaise it in the water, it shows 240mv removed, it shows -300mv. 2 seconds, then 000.
I tried to calibrate it with a solution "240mv". Solution like plusloin, and the instructions you need to set "-240mv". Plus 240 is exposed, and less plus 83 scale produces unreadable symbols. Somebody calibrate your ORP meter?

[Искатель-2]

I do not understand

you brought a shower or a mug ?

what model do you have ORP meter ?

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mug Giftware 2
ORP meter ORP-200.

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I have died like multimonitor also shows strange data

at least the pH-meter it was originally crippled, not working sometimes

to clean the electrode can be mechanically, first by finger then with alcohol,

I sometimes hangs the device, then prikazani to the electrode brings him out of his funk

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ZOMBIE
Wait for the Seeker-2maybe he can advise.
Finger to touch the electrode according to the instructions is strictly forbidden, it is better to finally leave.

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Finger to touch the electrode according to the instructions is strictly forbidden

the first time I hear it, I have to bend once had

[Мирта]

What do you think about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbB3JVPAw0

There are very simple models:

http://ctlg.panasonic.jp/product/info.d ... hb=TK-AJ01

Or with integrated pH, ORP meter:

http://ctlg.panasonic.jp/product/info.d ... TK7815P-S1

The unit under the sink:

http://sumai.panasonic.jp/water/bialkali/

Additional information:

http://www.3aaa.gr.jp/english/alkali/index.html

http://www.fwf.or.jp/


PS The theme finds a wide response abroad, there are specific recommendations to consumers http://www.livestrong.com/article/42963 ... ine-water/
from which it is clear that the equipment can not be used as a standalone water purification system if you don't include the pre-its - water training ( may form even more toxic compounds from the available input, can increase concentrations of some elements resulting in the risk of poisoning ). Also I recommend to pay attention to safety precautions associated with the operation of equipment of this kind:

http://sumai.panasonic.jp/water/bialkali/seisui_1.html

Sorry if already discussed. <

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Today I received by mail the ordered device for the manufacture of live and dead water Vitalong with electrodes of graphite.. the choice was guided by the posts and economic considerations as cheap, safe and easy. Want to try the procedure on the website youryoga - link seen on the website of the Seeker - a positive opinion on the use of it I've read, it seems that on this forum. Procedure: receiving the living water, bath, rubdown dead water, receiving the living water. Promise lots of energy, improvement and further development. I'd love to hear feedback from practicing the procedure.
About Vitalonga - I can't say, haven't tried, but 1790 R. I think still too large a sum for a simple device. You could buy at 1000 R. cheaper, but with electrodes made of steel, and this can be unsafe.
The cost is too high (though all the other much more expensive), because somehow I ordered Zapper with copper electrodes via the website in the United States - was worth some ridiculous amount of money- whether $ 20, or 30 - but significantly different in cost from the products of domestic suppliers. However, there is a very simple circuitry, but in Vitalonga scheme - much easier. Nevertheless, the choice has stopped on it on set of parameters.

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PS Theme finds a wide response abroad, there are specific recommendations to consumers http://www.livestrong.com/article/42963 ... ine-water/
from which it is clear that the instrument cannot be used as an independent system of water purification, but only after its pre - water training ( may form even more toxic compounds from the available input, can increase concentrations of some elements resulting in the risk of poisoning ).

therefore I recommend to use an Emerald-si by osmosis

[Мирта]

therefore recommend to use an Emerald-si by osmosis

Yes, I agree, installing osmosis is considered the necessary aspects that you need to pay attention.
The quality of the claimed electrode, desalination and subsequent mineralization. Only the price seems too high, especially for modification of Izumrud-SI (mod. 01-300) no osmosis - 38000 RUB.
Have I mentioned the Panasonic ( the easy option ) cost 6000 RUB. all the same features, apart from a comprehensive mineral Supplement for 500 rubles. ie: Automatic operation, (4 mode with a given pH), titanium electrodes with platinum coating. The mineralizer with calcium ( can not use ), instead of which I suspect can be filled "Severyanka" mineral or other Supplement. Pre-filter ( can not use ) - coal, ceramics, fibrous sorbent based on hollow tubes. And all this in a case the size of a 1,5 l bottle.

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Hello, Myrtle,

And please tell me if there is info about Panasonic in Russian or English? I've only seen in Japanese.

[Мирта]

And please tell me if there is info about Panasonic in Russian or English? I've only seen in Japanese.

http://www.google.ru/chrome with built-in translator to help You.

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the Mineralizer with calcium, instead of which I suspect can be filled "Severyanka"

Severyanka is filled, and this is the main problem. The device of mineralizer on it more complex than the salts.

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the northerner is filled, and this is the main problem. The device of mineralizer on it more complex than the salts.

OK. Do not fill the "Severyanka" in the filter, and fill any other suitable mineralizer in the container or added in a separate case (the issue price is about 1500 rubles).

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therefore recommend to use an Emerald-si by osmosis

Yes, I agree, installing osmosis is considered the necessary aspects that you need to pay attention.
The quality of the claimed electrode, desalination and subsequent mineralization. Only the price seems too high, especially for modification of Izumrud-SI (mod. 01-300) no osmosis - 38000 RUB.
Have I mentioned the Panasonic ( the easy option ) cost 6000 RUB. all the same features, apart from a comprehensive mineral Supplement for 500 rubles. ie: Automatic operation, (4 mode with a given pH), titanium electrodes with platinum coating. The mineralizer with calcium ( can not use ), instead of which I suspect can be filled "Severyanka" mineral or other Supplement. Pre-filter ( can not use ) - coal, ceramics, fibrous sorbent based on hollow tubes. And all this in a case the size of a 1,5 l bottle.

Mirta, And You personally have ordered the Panasonic for 6000 p? I looked at Your links and found the cheapest Panasonic for 9 something thousand + shipping will also cost a pretty penny - thousands 5. I.e., the sum turns out considerable. (Exact figures can not remember, links have closed).

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ready to do it in manual mode

automation is so much better... I won Ekovod is, I don't use (yet) -- not convenient

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Myrtle, And You personally have ordered the Panasonic for 6000 p? I looked at Your links and found the cheapest Panasonic for 9 something thousand + shipping will also cost a pretty penny - thousands 5. I.e., the sum turns out considerable. (Exact figures can not remember, links have closed).

are You sure that you watched my link?

Here's a snippet of my letter to You:

"...Order Panasonic through Internet order ( http://ebaytoday.ru - Taobao ), you can enter in the browser: the delivery of goods from Japan. There is a Russian mediator. Can use international systems directly: http://www.rakuten.co.jp,www.amazon.co.jp"

And that's what I see after going through your link http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/naka ... /10006591/
- It is about the price of 9000 RUB.

Go ahead – shipping.
Choose the most expensive option available: EMS with shipping parcels to the door of Your Terve apartments:

Product weight approx 2 kg. looking to Europe, so it turns out 4600 JPY = 1717 RUB.
- It's about 5000 USD for the delivery.

You forgot to mention:
"Just remember: in Japan the voltage is 100V, you will need to buy a 220/110 Converter on 100V or Latr in the area of 500-1000 rubles, Or in those online stores, perhaps significantly cheaper"Can I also prices for You to look?

PS Personally haven't ordered yet, the holidays you know ... time have not yet been. But let's Emerald-to-use stopped as soon as I had the opportunity to use a more adequate option, where I don't have hopes on the integrity of the knee Assembly our craftsmen, and rely on the authority of some better known manufacturer, has long been engaged in, by the way, the production of these devices, quite adequate for the price.<

[Мирта]

automation so much better... I won Ekovod is, I don't use (yet) -- not convenient

Love automation and are willing to pay for comfort?

Compare with the best:

http://www.alkalinewaterplus.com/water- ... omparisons
https://www.ionways.com/products_vesta.aspx

Select the best:

http://ionizerresearch.com/buyers_guide.php
http://waterforlifeusa.com/resources/co ... comparison
http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/?s=t ... r+ionizers

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Myrtle
I have seen it all, I wanted to buy a KYK, but where you burzhuinov found reverse osmosis + electroactivity ??

it is clear that you can buy atoll in an external enclosure + KYK for example... just the money will have icarousel, but all the consumables are sold in Russia, none of US order is not necessary.... although yarowsky devices is not possible to specify a specific pH...

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Myrtle
I have seen it all, I wanted to buy a KYK, but where you burzhuinov found reverse osmosis + electroactivity ??
it is clear that you can buy atoll in an external enclosure + KYK for example... just the money will have icarousel, but all the consumables are sold in Russia, none of US order is not necessary.... although yarowsky devices is not possible to specify a specific pH...

Osmosis is not integrated in one housing and Turovtsev ( looks like made from components of different manufacturers than however is ) i.e. you can own with equal ( around 12000 RUB with remineralization http://www.ionizers.org/reverse-osmosis.html,
http://www.ionways.com/shop/category.aspx?catid=13 ) or better ( using, for example direct-flow system without tank - type http://www.pure-pro.com/super380-directflow.htm ) success to add to any imported ionizer type Panasonic ( 8000 RUB c delivered to the apartment and the Converter voltage 220V/110V ) unit + mineralizer, if built from the same Panasonic is not satisfied ( from 1500 rubles with case ) - without it, the electrolysis will proceed inefficiently ( for this reason typically (always) do without osmosis).

Consumables change, I understand not every month, and usually every six months or less. The delivery is average per month or less, and You have the opportunity to purchase components for minimum money, not feeding on the way the grief of our entrepreneurs, the intermediaries ( speculators - if you call a spade a spade ) - this applies only to systems in a single, fully integrated housing with unique filters ( each company of course own ) without osmosis. For Panasonic, like other ionizers without built-in filtration consumables is just not required, and other components of unified and get them in Russia is not difficult.

... although yarowsky devices is not possible to specify a specific pH ...

Oh really ?! Ask specific pH even mentioned my Panasonic for $ 200.
...although perhaps ikanovic can automatically keep pH at an optimal ( as I think the developers ) value depending on the parameters of the water at the entrance? Or maybe it is so steep that displays the parameters ORP -500 abroad, without tension maintaining pH at a neutral level? (...although the usefulness of high pH - controversial ). And even if Yes, I wouldn't have to collect top-end system based on the components of domestic production ( national Assembly ) - as well as in a year you find that the coverage in the reactors safe to do than the previous models? ( As with the production of Emeralds-let the introduction of new reactors PAM 3 ), and before that drinking consumers? Note: Emeralds-SI appeared the cross of Emeralds let (NPO "Screen") + mineralizer with the hydraulics.

PS Assembling the system yourself, You in addition gain in the price ( small in the case of application of osmosis and large in other, less extreme variants ) will get a lot more confidence in the safety of your health, because you will know what it collected.<

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Myrtle
in General I wanted to build a system yourself, the main problem is that the bourgeoisie, the water inlet may not be bussoleno... they are especially calcium and fluorine (in my opinion) is saturated, and then elatrolet do... this we must understand that their machines produce pleasure acidic or alkaline the water... neutral is not present (and if there is, ORP is not known what there is... all video reviews alkaline water)... icarousel neutral with a negative ORP... duck for me is not convenient that not in the Bayou sour, alkaline and neutral water (low ORP) to obtain with one unit

filters in the bourgeois apparatus is shit, with the osmosis can not be compared...

in General collect system -- mark this, I still on the same place of residence is threatened by the Assembly of the treatment system, maybe something else will install