Structured water

[Мирта]

1. There are many reasons why studies are not published, and prevent them sometimes not what they contain, and or fingerboard or closing a certain political will.

If the manufacturer has some confirmed data about the positive attributes of the product they will be posted, at least on the website dealing with the sale. To say otherwise is to question the mental competence of sellers.

2. with a large negative ORP may do not all simple, here are a couple of hematologists who spoke with my colleague, say that if this get too carried away, that they say may occur some over-saturation of cells with water (although this also nowhere to be found adequate references)

Well, I for example in the lab said to use water with a high ORP can only be in small quantities ( 100 – 300 ) ml, and my machine has detected some excess of standards. And I turned to the lab because of subjective negative feelings – ulceration of the mucosa of the language, and not just me.

About the negativity on BSL-MED-1 - I do not see to NO reason, because:
- formed aluminium compounds are not soluble, and submitted to a lot of everything else. Want to challenge the defense's patented technology - please with links to electrochemistry, to not unfounded, read srach srochnyj sites I certainly would not and others would not recommend.

Let it be known that the above-mentioned aluminium compounds in particular aluminium hydroxide with chronic use are not as safe as You think, for example, individuals are forced to take vital Lek. drugs that You are not "srochny" website ru/lekenc/364.html">http://www.xumuk.ru/lekenc/364.html<

[Михаил_]

1. ulceration of the mucous membrane could not be formed due to ORP, and because of the shift of the pH of the water to the alkaline side(in the case of emerald from one another have acidic of alkaline water for strife), one of the advantages of BSL-med - pH neutral water (checked with a calibrated instrument - I'm not lying).
2. about the aluminium not true without analysis. Buy the camera, do a comprehensive study before and after. It is desirable not only for Inorganics, but also complex organics in the water before and after the BSL-honey, at the same time and see what's up with the aluminum and how its amount is changed after the device. Practically I see what's left in the sludge.
The spectrograph is not at hand, for You I won't do it, at least for now Later, perhaps, the right equipment is in a different place.
3. I do not think it seems to You. You mention unsubstantiated aluminum compounds that are "not safe" to be justified - or necessary analysis of water together with the above norms, not only on aluminum, but for other components to enter and exit. Either this chatter.
I see that after BSL-med takes 10-20% of salts from the water (again, salamero checked more than once).
In this case, the electrode is not seen a noticeable erosion. And You link to the tablet in which 500 mg of active ingredient... feel the difference, I have here the output is 5 liters of water, which differ by 6 people a day and on the electrode there is clearly no loss of material adequate education in water and 500 mg dissolved compounds, since there are filtered insoluble.
Are you interested in the lecture of the author listened to? And the device has passed the testing and certification already in Soviet times. There, with MPC everything is fine in the finished water. If you do understand what that means? this means that the water was tested for concentration only, and I think aluminum in the first place, we should not assume the creators of the device idiots or pests.

4. about life-saving drugs ... Yes... it is far from me. And from my relatives too... ie just completely did not fit my perception of what should be done if a disease occurs.

PS I absolutely do not care about this most BSL-med, he's not the matchmaker and not the brother, took out of curiosity and among the means by which it is possible to do something with water, it is not the only one here. I just don't like unjustified raids without its share of real arguments. There is a direct manipulation of the facts. Without water analysis after BSL-med suggest to the subject not to return. I believe the certificate and analysis to do just so I won't. If You don't believe you and expose careless manufacturers.<

[Мирта]

ulceration of the mucous membrane could not be formed due to ORP, and because of the shift of the pH of the water to the alkaline side(in the case of emerald from one another are acidic from alkaline water at discord)

And how many of You turned on the device, in terms of pH?

You mention unsubstantiated aluminum compounds that are "not safe" to be justified - or necessary analysis of water together with the above norms, not only on aluminum, but for other components to enter and exit.

Task is to prove the safety of products lies with the manufacturer and certainly I do not need to analyze the receiving water for the presence of aluminum compounds, the presence of which had already been received from the manufacturer of this miracle. The plate is actually spent and about a year will You have to change to a new one - read carefully the user manual.
Security is defined in particular according to this evil figure as MAC. Here, indeed, if in the original clean water, substance – xenobiotic was not determined, and it is set for example MPC 0.5 mg/l, and after purification it was 0.4 µg/l – do You want to drink this water? I think not. And the manufacturer says otherwise. What is this "filter" so that cleaning, contaminate the water with aluminum ( even below TC ), and the air ozone?
PS I like You do not care deeply for BSL, but I can't agree with sovdepovskoy the hypocritical habit of the manufacturers to offer the public obviously substandard, unsafe read product simultaneously looking for cons pros. Most of us still remember how we talked about the health benefits of replacing butter with vegetable margarine ( about the hydrogenation of fats of course did not say ), and about the feasibility of bring to a boil the already hot water ( to save power ) – I mean to drink tea – who may be heard to mentioned about adding in hot water anti-corrosion additives – that they are also safe for health and hlororganika in the pipes for the certification of waterworks. Here from manufacturers BSL smacks of that word that You found in urlе when they talk about the usefulness of a wonderful coagulant of aluminium and not less useful to the Wellness centre air - ozone rend them "filter". IMHO the filter should be clean and not saturate the cleaned environment with toxic polutants. The situation is similar to that in the chlorination of drinking water chlorine is needed to inhibit the growth of microflora, aluminium for the deposition of impurities, ozone kills air flora – both according to manufacturers safely for more tenacious of a multicellular organism. Intuition to help him.<

[Михаил_]

1. 7.4
2. the manufacturer proved all that is needed, conducting the assessments tool, I don't know where You find it Soviet style, and even hypocritical... You offer to prove because You have not substantiated the claim about the possible (speculative you alleged) harm.
3. ozone exists in nature in, for example before the storm
4. water, in my opinion, boiling at all harmful
5. the service life of the electrode described as "not less than 2000 liters of" over-allowed. That during operation of the filter once a day, is 400 days not a year. At the same time, it's quite obvious that when the plate goes under the replacement it will still have decent, if not most of the metal(I suspect more than half)... replacement electrodes usually happens (judging by the experience of other devices with electrodes) due to the onset of decay - plate usually does not wear very evenly. In addition, please note that if you recommended a monthly "cleansing" of her skins, which removes the layer of aluminum compounds in the waste (but not in water) and leads to further rapid wear of the electrode uneven. Thus, for 400 cycles to "work really will take perhaps no more than several tens of percent by weight of the electrode, the rest will go to clean up and will remain on the final "body" of the electrode. And in your message you would think that in a year the entire electrode directly fall into the water in dissolved form.
But that's not all. The resulting compound of aluminum is not soluble. Part of them is captured in the form of "foam" scum on the surface of the filter remover, and some (also in the form of insoluble compounds) will be captured on the mechanical filter.

[Мирта]

7.4

It is hardly possible to expect from slightly alkaline reaction ( at neutral values = 7 ) any consequences. Probably the reason in something else.

manufacturer proved all that is needed, conducting the assessments tool, I don't know where You find it Soviet style, and even hypocritical... You offer to prove because You have not substantiated the claim about the possible (speculative you alleged) harm.

I repeat: it is not Important that the parameter was within the MPC, and the fact of the shift indicator for the worse. To prove spelled out big and bold on the axiom, at least not the usefulness of the compounds of aluminium too. Take the trouble to type in a search engine – You will be amazed at the number of links of varying quality and, nevertheless, unidirectional with my opinion meaning. An example about the pills hydroxide Al cited only to show a simple example, that the manufacturer doesn't tell the truth, hiding side effects, saying that this connection is so safe that it applies in the treatment of several diseases, conventional medicine.

ozone exists in nature in, for example before the storm

It's also a matter of the highest class of danger, the toxicity of ozone is superior to hydrogen cyanide and chloride, which are chemical warfare substances. The world health organization has classified ozone to substances non-threshold effects, i.e. any concentration in the air of this gas, the strongest carcinogen, dangerous to humans. It is a nearly perfect chemical warfare agents, and only because of the difficulty of obtaining it was not among the applied combat gases during the First world war. Among its shortcomings, the military will carry a pungent smell. The maximum allowable ozone concentration in Russia are:
for residential areas is 30 µg/m3 (average per day) and 160 µg/m3 (average over 30 min and not more than 1% of the frequency of occurrence per year);
industrial zones shall not exceed 100 µg/m3.
By the way, when after a thunderstorm You can feel the specific smell of "freshness" is a clear excess of MPC concentration of the gas.

water, in my opinion, boiling at all harmful

I agree, although the thought was in another.

your message you would think that in a year the entire electrode directly fall into the water in dissolved form.

This domysly on Your side, I could not imagine.<

[Михаил_]

1. speculation is that something generally gets in the water bad. For me it's quite obvious.
2. about pH is after I have BSL slightly alkaline. And after the emerald, he generally remains in the acidic area, as they were before, but after the emerald ORP remains positive (I have), although it approaches zero in a hundred units. The difference between BSL and Emerald that, if in BSL division of water no, in Emerald, two separate tubes for different electrodes, the anolyte with the catholyte separately and poured into the drinking tube we get more alkaline water and not neutral, I think if I had a emerald with a strongly negative ORP, then there would be absolutely no alkaline reaction. So I wrote about that in your case, when you callnotification ORP output, the lye could cause irritation.
I don't like in simple electrolytic cells (where there is a separation), but there is another factor (except electrolysis) influencing ORP.

3. Humanity is millions of years lived with thunderstorms and nothing all like and like this civilization and trail get cold, and thunderstorms all will like those who will remain after it.... The opinion of modern science I was a little worried, concentrations from BSL so small that the room smell is impossible to ozonation specifically I have an ozonator and I regularly use. And like. To each his own.
Lighting, for example for water, very popular where a lot... and it is the real feedback on the subsequent positive effect on health.

[Мирта]

the difference between the BSL and the Emerald is that if in BSL division of water no, in Emerald, two separate tubes for different electrodes, the anolyte with the catholyte separately and poured into the drinking tube we get more alkaline water and not neutral, I think if I had a emerald with a strongly negative ORP, then there would be absolutely no alkaline reaction. So I wrote about that in your case, when you callnotification ORP output, the lye could cause irritation.

As far as I know there are emeralds in the mixing chamber, i.e. separated anolyte and catholyte, You will not get, and pH should not change too much after treatment. Separate solutions prepared in a more simple equipment of the type STEL, for sanitary disinfection for example. In past versions of Emeralds-type K1, the ORP is reduced by 300 - 400 mV

[Мирта]

A little research bakhilovskoe emerald-M ( it is noteworthy that published on the website of the competitors ):

the Conclusion of a Hospital for invalids of the Patriotic war 3.

CONCLUSION according to the results of preliminary tests of the equipment for the treatment of drinking water "Emerald - M"

During March-July 1993, carried out a test examination of persons consuming water cleaned elektrokhimicheskii way to install "Emerald-M" passed testing in the Institute of human ecology and environmental hygiene them. A. N. Sysina RAMS (27.05.1992) and authorised the Ministry of health, as well as proven microbiological service Berkshire (UK). The water used in a domestic environment, of 5 plants were consumed systematically Z2 by individuals for drinking, cooking and for hygiene. With a capacity of 30-40 liters per hour installation produces water with a pH=6.9 redox potential from +50 to +80 mV, the chlorine-silver reference electrode (in the source water pH= 6,9, a potential of +340 mV). The decrease of the oxidation potential corresponds to the improvement of antioxidant properties of purified water.
The number of trial participants: men - 14, women - 18, under 20 years of age - 3, 21-30 years - 10, pages 31-51 year 12, over 50 years - 7. From among the subjects, 18 people considered themselves almost healthy, 13 people have filed various complaints in connection with chronic diseases, transported on an outpatient basis. One patient P., 40 years old, was treated at home about multiple sclerosis Cerebro-spinal forms.
Analysis of test results was carried out according to the survey, individuals who drank purified water. 30 subjects noted improvement in taste of water believe that the water gives them courage or improves the overall condition on the background of preexisting conditions. Reported changes of status of patients (with indication of the changing symptoms):

improve sleep - 3 observation;
the decrease in blood pressure in 2 patients with hypertensive disease of the 2nd degree;
reduction of swelling and pain in the area of trophic ulcers in varicose veins;
reducing itching eczema of the skin of the patient; - improve the work of the colon, eliminate constipation (2 observations);
the decrease in the number of leukocytes and erythrocytes in the urine of a patient with chronic nevrosa-nephritis;
the disappearance of the breath in one patient with chronic gastritis after drinking regular water and rinse the mouth;
improvement of appetite, reduction of General weakness, decrease in pain in the right upper quadrant in a patient with chronic hepatitis A.

Patient P., 40 years old, suffering from multiple sclerosis in turning 12 years with negative dynamics, after drinking purified water on the background of emotional recovery, there was a positive remission (lasting about 3 months).
Complications, allergic reactions and other negative outcomes associated with drinking purified water, it was not. For further communication improvements in the health of healthy and sick people systematically drinking water from plants "Emerald M", requires extensive medical trials with allocation control groups. Pre-installation testing can be viewed as positive. Install "Emerald-M" after appropriate approbation can be used for medicinal purposes.

Candidate of med. Sciences. I. V. ZUBKIN 129336, Moscow, Startovaya str., 4, tel: 475-03-14

P. S. As you can see from this little opus, the scientific evidence base ( and this is far the best I found in the Internet just for instance ) leaves much to be desired. There is a conspicuous absence of the notorious placebo-control, without which any say about the efficacy and safety of this method of activation of water fundamentally does not make sense. For fans to build conclusions based on your own experiences, I can see that good health or improve not a sign of improving health in General. In response to the damage ( in the broad sense of the word ) the body activates its system and, in particular, antinociceptive, so causing harm to themselves, within certain limits, a person can experience is proportional to this "improving" well-being until the euphoria. By the way have You ever had any question as to why many people like to listen to loud music and the louder the better and cacophonique ( Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, etc.) – it's simple, just look at the same work by Dr Masaru Emoto. Did anything not fit? <

[Михаил_]

I think smart people it is obvious that scientific evidence will never happen not because it is not working, but because its existence is contrary to the financial interests of big Pharma and the medical industry. Why smart people focus on what grows in the network, the principle of open self-test. It's not against the... what are.
by the way, judging by the text, people feel better even from AFP-positive water and positive she stayed, because at the entrance Lily already +340, would have missed twice in emerald - perhaps the effects would have been much better....

There's people I known for a large number of leading medical departments conducted a joint operation, extensive research got opinions, certificates for 34 kinds of products on strukturirovannoi mode (not for permanent use, and for melkodispersnoe). Then they offered to sell us project. Then came the explosive growth of sales without advertising (because a rumour...) then they offered to sell the control package of farmo office of the United States... which by the way was technically not possible, because here it has grown from closed developments. They refused. And after 2 days "Anischenko" revoked the sanitary certificates for disc. water is used as a basis (its chemical composition has not changed) and that after two decades of research and use including the closed. And having a legitimate reason to appeal the decision and communication at a very good level, nothing they do could... soon to be 7 years as.
Now imagine that people would be watered simple ORP negative water and would have received numerous confirmed all the rules the results... it's on the knee can be done.

In our time, when many industries are associated with human health fully korrupirovannyj on a global scale, smart people and remain aggregated through the network and share useful information.
Here for example, I know that in some us schools now impose a "vaccination without asking" (there are also opponents of vaccination as we do), and in the evprope people on the network collected signatures against razumnogo ban sales in all pharmacies Lek. of products based on natural herbs (!!!). Such legislative activity is pretty clearly shows that it is clearly not in the interests of health. While waiting for the appearance of official research? Yes do not tell.
The effectiveness of a "national" approach is clearly visible by the fact that these well-known on the Internet things like Linux (and not only) and firefox scored a pretty important position sliding commercial market leaders, and that is what the Mac OS is based on free and a free distribution of freebsd
but this tendency is not only in the field of software, there are projects related to free and collective technology in completely different spheres And collective intelligence in the field of healthy lifestyle for a long time "did" official medicine. Actually if nothing will not change dramatically, it will remain viable, those who will be involved...
Others will swallow a lot of modern water, food and tablets as time passed extensive research and that their family will stop predsmertnoe suffer its not wiser representatives of a lot of chronic problems.<

[Мирта]

I think smart people it is obvious that scientific evidence will never happen not because it is not working, but because its existence is contrary to the financial interests of big Pharma and the medical industry. Why smart people focus on what grows in the network, the principle of open self-test.

You, Michael, kind of right in saying that research sponsored by those who benefits from it, anyhow. However, it is clear You don't quite understand what evidence-based medicine, and the principles on which it is built. If You immediately tell what is a GCP, then I, in turn, is wrong. In clinical trials are often open data goes counter to the expectations of the customer and however they are published, again in the scientific literature. Why then are they, You might wonder, after all this: "...contrary to the financial interests of big Pharma and the medical industry". Because, at the present stage of development of medicine, no data ended study conducted in accordance with GCP, it is impossible none of the "smart" people to convince of the efficacy and safety of same pharmaceuticals.
Scientific evidence base is not, if these studies are carried out and planned by the manufacturers of filters, not related to any farm, nor to the medical industry. So on the one hand there is a vital interest of the manufacturer and on the other the consumer of filters that are not used often to deal with scientific approach in their work. Put simply, You feel the difference between the filter – the buyer and the pharmaceuticals – the doctor – patient? Prompt since I'm not sure in your answer. The difference, the specialist who is interested in the promotion of the product, and the fate entrusted to him.

Why smart people focus on what grows in the network, the principle of open self-test.

"An intelligent man" IMHO I would not do it, because he understands that other "smart people" laugh at it statistically unreliable and this affected the subjectivity of "research".

look people I known for a large number of leading medical departments conducted a joint operation, a large-scale study

Confirm, if you can, my IMHO, unfounded, as You like to say the statement, based on the authority of medicine that You, Michael, do not put a penny.

Now imagine that people would be watered simple ORP negative water and would have received numerous confirmed all the rules the results... it's on the knee can be done.

"Done on the knee..." – well, for "smart" people, I suppose, all the dotted "I".

and evprope people on the network collected signatures against razumnogo ban sales in all pharmacies Lek. of products based on natural herbs.

Yes ...what can I say, apparently I'm terribly far from "the people", so as to adhere to the same opinions regarding the lack of information of proper quality ( not obtained from medieval played to this day books, and the results of well-planned ( on the knee ), a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind, multicenter studies ) regarding the efficacy and safety of phytoproducts. That's interesting, or whether any of Eversmaller that is not enough to conduct such research? Money or the knees? But with the corruption we have really good, even better, IMHO, than abroad – how else to explain the presence in the recommendations for treatment of influenza of the same Arbidol? However for "smart" people, there is nothing wrong to understand what it takes. Tell you the big secret, there is such a secret place as resources available library http://www.thecochranelibrary.com ( in the vernacular referred to as "scientific evidence base" ) Oh, Yes...sorry, I probably swear obscenities...sometimes puts.<

[Михаил_]

Mirta, viewed diagonally - not interested.
As I wrote time and again - the system generates the system.
And it is hopeless. Next here is a link to the book "Digital world" where we had a little argument with the author (literature branch), and I just started to give examples and tried to build on those where there is scientific evidence obtained repeatedly (repeated) and on the levels of NII, but still easily verifiable. What happened to the author? he ran away. And I understanding. Because I know that was offered as a choice and an alternative to some domestic physicists, who went much further in this book. But the book then You'll see. As stated in early versions of his articles, he is the authors and the opinion of the whole of the Institute, which among other things the number of a couple of left-wing academics are not academies.
With medicine it's worse. That was on Yandex (in the sense of the people)article, which tells about the history of the world closure anti-cancer methods. Just a set of references and historical facts, links to other web-hosted materials. Where are they now? It's very simple - you took down that page. And there was no medical advertising, nothing else. BUT demolished. What? And where was supposed to be a request to have taken down? And I know. Because at the time, created a resource known as chat.ru, later invested and later sold. And at that time he was not less than Yandex and the people according to the number of free pages. And practice of processing queries respectively. structures known to me. It's a phone practice. Usually before the documents were ever enough call. Since the client has nothing to show, the service is free and no contract paper and duchatelet, and who will butt heads. And easier to just get things done without bureaucracy. It should be noted that people working on the ground in ACC. agencies are usually VERY adequate, the memories of the contacts are completely positive. Ie this means that they themselves loaded with demolition of the resource. For simple pages with a couple of sheets of information in the form of a real check history and references, someone was not too lazy to strain ties.
it would seem to prevent the historic page?
Do You know about Lohovskogo?
well, for example http://lebendige-ethik.net/4-Lakhovsky.html
And in the US today are made devices for his work.... and treat cancer in a terrible state....
That's just the world now is not the one - where the article has a photo with the spiral on the plant... so, nowadays, from such a spiral plant DIES because the air is contaminated with cellular communication and more hell knows what and is INFORMATION.

there really is no problem to understand what is worth... I have a few people from the family and close friends live (physically) just because th stopped almost completely, and the termination is associated with the critical situation when the recommendation of the doctors was "to die in six months" - of such cases in the near surroundings more than 1 and 2.
And for years, and someone or a dozen years, enjoy medzini only in the case of physical injuries (plaster Yes x-ray) or services of a dentist, by the way a healthy body these should need much less, and sometimes do not need, you know... tooth tissue can itself be overgrown. By the way may have heard that tooth decay is treated with ozone? no? well, nice.

Yeah, maybe you're right that we still not as bad as some abroad places. Only the presence of Arbidol in treatment guidelines for influenza - don't worry, it's temporary... and for people who support their health reasonable alternative methods - absolutely not true. Why? influenza infection is not sick.

So You are right, for smart people, everything is clear. Mankind has lived a long history without your proven research and all his experience available, but adopted only a few... but nothing in this vector, very soon everything will return to approximately the same condition, except when the knees just don't be neither technical nor financial capabilities to check anything. Because the current vector is too fast destroys the person from within.

Therefore, will survive only those who are able to see the picture outside, the rest of one generation is the limit.<

[Михаил_]

Myrtle offer scroll by (and to engage first and foremost with their health and not the reassurance of others - they are not stupid, will understand).
micro-investigation.
there is a video of BSL-wcss, rather primitive in General (the author was not studied explicitly to make his lectures intelligible articulates with difficulty, but still better than nothing).

http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3087043
to options video shows the speech of doctors who speak about the diagnosis as blood. In particular some rock drawings of the doctor-a hematologist, coinciding with the technique who like to talk about people from coral club.

we are talking about "agglutination" of erythrocytes in people with prosharenny AFP blood and reverse the process in the use of AFP-negative fluids. Descriptions sounds very logical. Including easily explains one of the positive aspects of a raw food diet (although I am not inclined to simplify it to the above explanation and I am sure that always there are several factors).
In General, in order not to repeat, I think someone who really needs it - it is easier to see.

In General, a short conclusion is some information you can take with an ordinary microscope by the usual blood work (read: blood). In fact, like me, nobody can forbid to watch their blood independently. I.e. laboratory work this kind of license can be obtained. but it is difficult (was the medical center - was held, premises of this kind call for special arrangements to furnish and equip for permission to work with blood), and home experiences - my own business....

1. found that those who work with blood, use a moderate increase in available for almost all suitable microscope (400-800), also that you can buy a usb device makes no sense - there are adapters for optics on a digital photo, cheap.
2. pros working with blood in General, as in lectures, too, hematologists, laughed for a long time... showed that you see, the pictures were taken. In General, two questions they gave two versions of the response, which in General can explain the reasons that they are not noticeable, the effect of ORP. However at that time nothing was clear. So, their explanation of agglomerated cells, it is blood clots. ACC. if they just stuck together, then just curled up and there is nothing to focus on.
explanation second the question on the expected mobility (increase in cell motility) under the action of AFP - an explanation that, due to local irregularities of the slide some places can be squeezed harder than others. This may cause more severe local heating and the flow of the fluid transporting cells, pure heat flow.

2. after this an attempt was made to look at the same effect through the eyes of "coral club" proper analysis on the effectiveness of ORP coral-water *well, or the amount of factors from it, including the structuring of water is done in the following method - photo of blood, you can drink water after half an hour a new photo. To make the result the office is not given say got the "rebuttal" and all sorts of articles, I generally understand.
The result of my colleagues showed NO differences. Continuous use ORP water because a healthy lifestyle, the use of various AFP-negative but structured water, BJ and so, apparently have a meaning (well, maybe just healthy .... )
I.e., the difference could not see. Doing the analysis tried to indicate the increased mobility of cells, but due to the review pros - this is not a complete fact, as the Pro version of the unevenness of the glass is noteworthy. As a result, the coworker showed the analyses of others, which shows bonding of the cells TO collapse. That is, this effect still exists apparently.
according to them - the brighter visible on older or sick people, according to our observations, Yes easily confused with clotted blood, apparently this is one of the reasons that are widely known, this fact is not getting. Here are just sticking to clotting blood.

PS hematologists used the increase to 400 usual and darkfield microscope, Karlovci 900, and a conventional microscope.
We are thinking about what tools to buy for personal use, because it is all not expensive.<

[Терве]

Hello Michael,

Tell me, please, and this Emerald of a similar nature - http://izumrud.com.ru/ ? What model of Emerald are You using?

[Михаил_]

this looks like http://izumrud.com.ru/emerald/models/emerald_kf3.php
but it seems the older version.
However, it is not possible from the Moscow tap water to water with a negative ORP, apparently due to the large contamination of either the water or the filter. Perhaps the reason that I have lying device (meter ORP).
This has yet to understand.
At least it is very convenient to use during the spring thaw copes with its f-tions (water to drink from under it is not kiecana for many years, and he has more than 10 years long, though it was taken for service at the factory a couple of years ago, but the service is treated as something funny. Drove because relatives there and actually bought right at the factory.

However, I'm just studying this issue. And no definitive advice to give I will not.
A good portion of the time (sometimes 90%) I am out of town and drink spring or well water. To me it feels like. Because its thirsty.
Water after the double treatment (emerald+BSL-med) is also thirsty for a few weeks that the house use the second purifier is noticeable that significantly increased the consumption of water. Almost two times.
While I like the water after charging 2.0 system previously passed such processing, however, recall You from her feet swollen....

After one of the emerald such a good feeling from the water was not, though, as I said, perhaps this is due to pollution. The standard procedure acid washing conducted, but it is likely that he was just that gross.... but somehow it works as if it for a long time not cleaned - there is the led is not lit and it does not work immediately.

[Мирта]

Mirta, viewed diagonally - not interested.

Myrtle offer scroll by (and to engage first and foremost with their health and not the reassurance of others - they are not stupid, will understand).

What and where I'm flipping decide for himself. Your demonstration of disrespect for the other person – a sign of the lack of other, more prelestnaya arguments. At the very least, familiarity with the counter-arguments of your humble servant, would have saved You from having to write all sorts of nonsense:

Yes, perhaps you are right that we still not as bad as some abroad places.

Compare:

corruption we have really good, even better, IMHO, than abroad

I leave, seeing the drop in quality of argument, any attempt to refute the nonsense type:

Mankind has had a long history without your proven research and all his experience available, but adopted only a few... but nothing this vector, very soon everything will return to approximately the same condition, except when the knees just don't be neither technical nor financial capabilities to check anything. Because the current vector is too fast destroys the person from within.

Who needs that without effort will find information about life in the late 19th century and as of today and figure out what it could be connected.

[Михаил_]

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The drop in the quality of argumentation ? do not tell, I'm not going to argue, this is why. Yes, and do not communicate with you, and to those who still read the thread. Meanwhile, your "argument" is just ridiculous - are talking to people with the same interests, You come with the crackdown on officially produced the cleaner with a cover and permits, to the issue of which scientific research was carried out by an author who has a degree and so on. And were accused of poisoning the users of the aluminum compounds.

To argue it could not, although running the reaction formed an insoluble aluminum salts that leave the water to remove the "skin".
All offers anything supporting to say to your impact, respond with double-talk aside. The authors of the articles You has nothing to prove - they got the permits on the unit. I also - I'm not interested. So I appeal to pass.

You know Myrtle, until we climbed to its argument, we've talked more or less adequately understanding each other but then someone very burnt on to prove the power of modern medicine.
I'm happy for You.
But my grandmother had no cavities up to 70 years.
And the situation of many older persons(specifically interviewed), she lived a very hard life, in which, especially in children and yunesheskogo age had a lot of hardship, hunger, and do not understand why. By the way maybe she would have lived significantly longer, if she hadn't cut a nonexistent tumor, but it is a separate song.
In the environment in which I communicate and people close to me, the last few years it is not customary to give children vaccinations and on this account it is collected and collectively, a huge evidential material. Both scientific and "detective" of the plan. And you know, there is nothing to compare, because some of us (parents) had their elders to instill... before the information came. What? vaccinated have an Allergy spring symptoms of asthma, influenza and more. Not vaccinated do not have it all. They don't usually get sick even in the most severe gruppovye of the epidemic.
But that's not all.... for example, vaccinated children get sick starting with "presunie teeth" leading a healthy lifestyle (not percutanea) receiving healthy water and food and are not vaccinated - and don't get sick when teething. I.e. temperature short time passed, and everything.

How does modern medicine? it's very simple... she kolechit, beginning with the prenatal period, then during labor, in infant years, and went ... well, after there are added factors to more adult.
Arguments of the entire Internet blocked on the ears.
But blind and deaf will never help.
Cutting the cord during labor was introduced for blood collection during the second world war (war). Immediate cutting of the umbilical cord leads to the fact that the child loses up to 30% of blood, but his body is very strong, it can withstand this SHOCK. Since then, IMMEDIATE cutting of the umbilical cord has become a tradition and he came up with excuses (well, if they do not, just under the pretext that it's a given that in case of absence of the rhesus-conflict).
You can refer to the statistics alleged in the 19th century, few lived... but then a lot of fights on cutting and other guns ... for any reason, and life was hard. This does not mean that from modern medicine, this statistic has improved.
Today's children, not just those that the average, all completely sick. And this is statistics, about which I write are long open.
When one child due to the inability to cut the umbilical cord after birth were collected placental blood, "stem cells" for long-term storage (own stem cells are not rejected, they are 100% compatible with the human), then Gamabunta was VERY surprised, as it so happens that some of these cells two times more than normal, which according to them is very good and reflects the excellent condition of the human body and its regenerative capabilities.
And the reason for that is very simple and prosaic. This will need - I will explain.
When doctor, PhD, all life having worked in the hospital giving birth to ALL three of their children at HOME, it says what? I think about the state of medicine, not that doctor that something is wrong.
When the opportunity to save for their children's health parents risk everything, create traffic, climb on the TV screens (the situation with vaccines in the Ukraine) it says what?
You have to be blind to not to see it all.
But such (blind) a lot.
And it is normal for the kind of society in which we live.
One of my relatives, has long had a high position in one law enforcement Agency (by the way, in his retirement age he somehow just ran off out of the country...), so somehow among their own, i.e. a certain elite level, it was decided to use the kind of medicine the services of someone who often officially and make not - celitelya, with reflex therapy and so on.Because it helps, despite the terrible way of life (he had it from one restaurant to the next and the next )... and to him, as he complained about - turn for months.
That's our friend's turn for the next two months.
And in the entrance it is possible to constantly deal with people from TV screens and the screens misses. But when, after her treatment got pregnant a lady, about the probability of pregnancy which doctor said - "I'd rather face myself, it is not physically possible", the doctor expressed great interest in treatment, and this interest has gone to him as soon as he learned that the treatment the reflexologist. He didn't even specify the details. And it would seem.. Department of acupuncture has not been canceled and they are normal in many medical schools. What's so twisted is that?
And what kind of argumentation then is it?

All I know of the people who care about a healthy lifestyle for themselves and their children have mostly above-average incomes, their children study in a specially selected good schools, they graduated from prestigious universities EARLIER (i.e. not the ones that are popular now like to learn from a Manager) and they are very good with common sense and head. But they do not accept the official argument. And sometimes doing those homemade pots or something of the such Opera. And their children - healthy and eat healthy food where possible. And they don't care about formal arguments, because they trust mainly themselves - their way of life made them their own intuition.

As I wrote, some countries have long started on their territory who with their double freestuff vaccinations ( which was officially recognized scandal) and GMO foods have already got a full set. For example, Argentina has introduced state subsidies for IVF. And the health of children after IVF is a separate song.
And why is it needed Argentina? Yes there it became a very big problem is the inability to conceive in women .The indigenous population in danger of extinction.
You see, it informed those Indians destroyed technical methods. Now there are biological. And in General, they go under the beautiful guise of medicine. Of course, not only. Food and water there are no less.

As for lifespan, and a long time ago, and in the 19th century and in our time, there were people who personal a life span which is significantly above the so-called "average". Only they have no reason to Shine this fact. Although evidence is available and not completely blind.
Now short and unique time when, due to the conditionally free Internet is available a lot of information. And it gives a chance to many and many to quite different possibilities for yourself and your health.
We are here gathered to discuss certain aspects associated with it, and the argument from the realm of official science does not recognize virtually nothing, just because you are not supposed to, I don't think anyone is interested. In the end, not doing anything forbidden
to apply officially sold products, measure instruments, and to discuss it - not forbidden.

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[Михаил_]

met today with his "consultant" on water... asked him why he said earlier about the undesirability of a strongly negative ORP value of water.
the reasoning is logical, I didn't...
1... he hesitated
2... the main argument was that the AFP normal healthy cells -150, and if much less, something like bad.
3. a leading question, as shown by poorly - not answered
4. the question is not whether its normal potential of -150 to drink human water +350 - did not answer
5. to my comment that if people drank and ate constantly ORP-positive and he needs to recover, then the large negative ORP averaged with the fact that he said nothing.

The primary conclusion is he does not have any data or arguments on this matter, I will have to work that out. On the main profile, they are basically the entry into the water was doing, they took distilat as a basis, there is +200 go....
although health great.

[Димонъ]

Acquired elektroaktivator AP-1, makes living and dead water. Taste the living water with baking soda, is dead.-like water with vinegar. Neither woman liked (to taste). The source water is distilled, with the addition of sea salt(a few grains). It was written (if not confusing) that the taste of the living water people like. Either the device is faulty or I have something to kosovschina. Has anyone used this device? What are your impressions?

[Михаил_]

Dimon, the separation of water get if you throw a beautiful name, on the one hand a negative ORP and alkaline water (that's the taste of soda), on the other - a positive ORP and acid.
Different activators, which are claimed as changing only AFP (discussed above emerald and BSL-med types)- water is mixed again and the final water does not salochna, but the ORP remains negative. Think it say about her that I'm thirsty and like the taste.
Divided living and dead water are used as a medicament, according to some recommendations (I remember little, I think you can find in the network). Zombie wrote that some activators after treatment, water is mixed in a certain proportion. I.e. the output is nearly neutral in acidity (slightly alkaline), but AFP-negative water.
Thus, I am not familiar with AP-1, but I can imagine that the water must either chastisest or consult the manufacturer. This situation is not normal.
Well device to help You. Ie I think if similar experiments to do, then the meter is worth to buy.
What recommends passport activator?

PS by the way this phenomenon of mass fascination with pots of the Soviet period -deserves careful study, because EN masse they then spawn underground-lap.

[Димонъ]

Good night. Michael.
Thanks for the tip on mixing water. didn't know that. In the passport only technical data and a few recipes for germination of seeds, etc Bought a book of Dina Aschbach "Living and dead water", but not yet read. In the Internet a bunch of recipes from all diseases, using W and m of water, is quite interesting. I will be studying. In the meantime, said that by drinking a glass of live water is energized. By the way, if there is drowsiness, it is removed within 5-10 minutes (both morning and evening) so that you can use as doping)).
About the meter, have already decided to buy. Even in the passport is a sample output for the water, want to check.
"Depending on the water source and the degree of mineralization the pH value of the anolyte and catholyte, the consumer can greatly vary. The result is influenced by the degree of contamination of the pores of the ceramic glass with salt deposits.

Table1
The activation time,
PH value,

min Anolyte Catholyte
10 6,2 9,4

20 3,1 9,7
30 2,9 10,0
40 2,8 10,3

Table 2
Activation time, Hydrogen
indicator,pH
min Anolyte Catholyte
5 6,2 9,5
10 3,5 10,0
15 2,7 10,5
20 2,4 11,0 "

[Михаил_]

It's not for me thanks, it's a Zombie wrote to me, he is longer in the subject in all senses of the word. I'm a long time paid more attention to information on water and not on its physical(or chemical) characteristics.

As a result, asked himself these mysteries that now it will take some time to understand.

[Михаил_]

By the way I here people calling a lot of trust has written about water (made by man) supports its properties when diluted almost indefinitely. I mean strukturirovannoi (or rather records). Ie spent part flushed, the water and so hundreds of times without degradation of information.
I really didn't check things like that ( well long), but did not take into account the possibility of such steady withholding of information.
By the way I would have to mention about these sticks-mahalochki ....

[Димонъ]

It seems is called in homeopathy a potentiation. And what of the wand?

[Михаил_]

Yes, we had one friend aunt is obsessed with the coral club.... well, we have it so .... shorter did not to reach them, and disappeared out of sight. For one thing useful that we... well, there's a lot of useful. Went on nature and starting your own garden in the garden - a useful matter, well, maybe not always, but in most cases. And when man makes of his stories attempt marketing on the familiar, or because he is well MLM-stitched-brains, either because it believes in the uniqueness and uniqueness of it "the garden"- very quickly gets not a joke. And most importantly, usually contact with that person already is a complete waste of time.
Well, in General, in the spacing she brought home this: http://allfarm.ru/Vitalizator_karmannyy
on course checked (it was this well years ago) - works well. Well, forgot. Because a lot of things that affect the structure of water. Different way. I remembered recently reading a description of this thing. And have attracted interest not a description, and the fact that inside the standard water. (transfer on the remaining capacity is fast -remember, tried, really took good well water for the initial poured).
And also quite interesting to show the description in place about the prohibition of screening.
In General not much benefit for how much as useful information to the heap.
interesting point, in my opinion, is that he typechange transferred fine (although I'm not really sure what's inside it is true the water), but the deprivation of the natural field (shielding) may cause damage to the product. well, the shielding is different. ie EMG screen, like a safe going to work one way, and foil - completely different.

[Михаил_]

well I just remembered this as I had studied this krolowy blood analysis, and the effectiveness is quite interesting. I quietly compare the rate of change of the structure from different systems, starting from their chargers to different other products that want to more fully understand the mechanisms affecting the speed of rewriting of the structure and the safety of its reference view