Desensitization and reprocessing (injury) eye movements EMDR.

[Димас]

Yes, after two days of negative emotions at the memory problems did not return. It is very interesting that I saw two dreams which plays with this issue, one of which had a root, that is the situation that apparently started it all. At this point I woke up my wife, so I started to moan and cry in her sleep, about how!

[Владимир Никонов 2]

Feel with the Navigator like in the future. And I have a device to erase memory.

Finds some emotion, saying: "Go to wash them". Include Navigator, start memoirs, periprostatic, the emotion disappears. Triggered session EMDRR.

[Андрей Патрушев]

Vladimir Nikonov
It is better to "erase" military thinking.
During these sessions, nothing is erased, on the contrary, personal experience of the separate neural networks, which could lead You to compulsive actions at the level of reflexes, integrates with the rest of the experience and becomes available for understanding.

[Димас]

Yes, it was good that the Navigator has these programs are quite powerful. Andrew, and is authoring or other manufacturer's MM there is also a program EMDRR?

[Андрей Патрушев]

Yes, it was good that the Navigator has these programs are quite powerful. Andrew, and is authoring or other manufacturer's MM there is also a program EMDRR?

No, these programs no one else has. In addition to Yaroslav Golub (and then, if he is a bit "poshamanit" your points) more no they can not do "iron" is not it. By the way, Yaroslav has "fad" in the form of vibrators, which can significantly increase the effectiveness of EMDR sessions.

[Воффка]

And finally, after a positive determination is sufficient to approve holding him and the way trouble, explore, do not go if you have somewhere in the body unpleasant feelings or stress. If there is any, focus on them and make the required number of series of eye movements — until then, until it's all gone: and these feelings, and what comes out while you're working through them.

About sensations in the body as a "text" is said, one gets the impression that talking about it would be referred above in the article, but no...
There's definitely nothing missing?

[Воффка]

When you work with the Navigator in the EMDR sessions, you just need to keep an eye out for the diodes to look at one spot, reliving a negative memory during the whole session and on the trail. session to reinforce the positive? Or during the session to act on their own feelings not adhering to any of the schemes?

[Димас]

Voffka
No, not like lost. At first I was constantly trying to remember what work because 5-7 minutes start to "go" and the emotion ceases to excite me. So BEFORE class I thought about the emotion, tried it possible to feel all its aspects, places where she experienced, in General, everything connected with it. In the beginning of the session, too, try to test it to the maximum.Then the emotion go and look at one spot on the wall, do sitting. Immediately after the session and before going to sleep again moves the emotion and evaluate its "charge". The procedure is performed (times per day) until until smooth unemotional perception of a negative moment. It is better to start (IMHO) with the most charged issues. Because it is easier to keep track of her disappearance, so if you have sweaty palms and was having cramps in my chest, the disappearance of these symptoms would indicate a positive trend.
Good luck! If you need something.

[Андрей Патрушев]

Voffka
Yes, it is necessary to focus on the negative episode, and most dramatic part (causing the strongest emotions). To more effectively monitor the LEDs, but it is often very difficult, because of the psychological trauma, so you can look directly, but not in one point, and "nowhere" - absent-minded look. For removing the main heat of emotions, begin to explore my body (sometimes useful and the space around), to discover where these emotions are left in the body (space), then focus on this place (on the sensations there) and then have another session, etc.

[Димас]

Andrei Patrushev
That is, at one point, but diffused view or multiple view move your eyes? Just look at the LEDs eyes get a little tired...

[Андрей Патрушев]

demAs
If you can move, then move, if not, still watch (well, more or less) straight ahead. Sometimes, as a result of psychological trauma is not just eye fatigue and very painful to move eyes...

[Димас]

Andrei Patrushev
Andrew, thank you! Sometimes while working on EMDR body as it starts to twist, you want to strain much of the body as a neurosis or something, you know sometimes when you're angry and powerless. Is this normal? Then it passes, and in General, during the session terribly want to move the body and take a wide variety of silly poses and stretch.

[Андрей Патрушев]

demAs
Yes, just that "that" is, but first work out the emotions (not really paying attention to the body, but not resisting), then you take care of the body.

[Димас]

Andrei Patrushev
Another question. Is there any sense in parallel EMDR to listen to Conductor to speed up the result, so to speak?

[Андрей Патрушев]

is There any sense in parallel EMDR to listen to Conductor to speed up the result, so to speak?

No.

[Димас]

Andrei Patrushev
Andrew, that is, until I have no reason to "get out" during the program? To leave for later? And how do I know what emotions it's time to finish and move on to the body? The feelings I want to pull a muscle during the program

[Андрей Патрушев]

how do I know what emotions it's time to finish and move on to the body?

On a scale - when emotions come at 2-3.

feels I want to pull a muscle during the program

And that way?

[Димас]

Andrei Patrushev
So, about the timeline clear...
So after all You said yourself that at first the emotions, then the body?! Or again, I perceive all too literally?
And Explorer why not in the evening, for example? Morning/afternoon EMDR, evening Prowadnicach to zakrepleniya result? Or these practices Nezavisimy? Fuck, this storm in Moscow, just in the window flew, the lights already extinguished for a few seconds...Couple scary...

[Андрей Патрушев]

So because You said yourself that at first the emotions, then the body?! Or again, I perceive all too literally?

All right, but the stretch-then who bothers?!

And Conductor why not in the evening, for example? Morning/afternoon EMDR, evening Prowadnicach to zakrepleniya result? Or these practices Nezavisimy?

Yes, nazdorove! During just not necessary.

[Димас]

Andrei Patrushev
well, well!so I meant not at the time!super!

[Воффка]

demAs
Andrei Patrushev
Thank you!

[Воффка]

Andrei Patrushev
Andrey, tell me, acceptable-do data sessions the duration vary?

[Андрей Патрушев]

Voffka
No, perhaps better not to change - everything is clearly configured, although it is not deadly...

[Воффка]

by the Way, Yaroslav has "fad" in the form of vibrators, which can significantly increase the effectiveness of EMDR sessions.

And these are the vibrators, they are somehow "on the knee" feasible?

[Андрей Патрушев]

And these are the vibrators, they are somehow "on the knee" feasible?

Most likely, they can be easily bought.