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Post by Тапка » Tue Jul 13, 2010 0:58

apparently the radiator ( designed for this voltage ) can operate normally and transmit a signal to the body.
Incidentally, there is a pattern is quite simple - on one microke Generic LM383 Circuit GROK Box at the bottom

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Post by Экко » Tue Jul 13, 2010 13:59

apparently the radiator ( designed for this voltage ) can operate normally and transmit a signal to the body.
i.e., a large stress is needed to generate powerful ultrazvuka?

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Post by Тапка » Wed Jul 14, 2010 20:31

Oh , and one more - yesterday I read an article that was posted about Flanagan in the first model neurophone electrodes was just a plate of copper covered with rubber Schaub shock, do not beat.

Then came up with the electrodes
made of lead zirconium titanate, insulated on one side with epoxy, which also seals the joining of the lead wires from neurophone. Do read the excerpts from the article :the Audio signal twice differentialsa and converted in a square signal at 60 volts, which then passes through the detector a zero crossing. The sensor electrode plates with a diameter of one inch, made of lead titanate zirconium, insulated on one side with epoxy, which also seals the joining of the lead wires from neurophone.
With one electrode located on the soft skin of my calf and the other on my chest, I heard the sound information from the tape recorder in my head.

This amplitude modulated 35-kilogramy signal is then passed cheap step-up transformer, so that the output was very high voltage (about 4 kilovolts, as I recall), but at very high impedance. Flanagan filed this signal through a section of conventional two-wire line for television antennas to a pair of rubber pads with a diameter of about six inches, which he took with a relaxing device "muscular relaxing". Each panel consisted of a rubber layer with a thickness of 1/16 inch, of the piece of copper mesh, to which was soldered one of the conductors of two-wire lines, and rubber coating the lining of relaxator. Rubber insulation protected against short circuit, although the blow was not painful... more annoying.
Signal to the input of neurophone set frequency, 100% modulation, and then attach the two pads to your body... somewhere.
And you will hear in my head music!

In the original patent neurophone No. 393279 described high voltage, high frequency, amplitude-modulating the radio frequency generator. This device transformed the listener into the radio. It transmit the sound information to the user through a small isolated electrodes. The 3000 volt signal in the excited electric field extremely low power density. Since the carrier frequency was around 50 kHz, the capacitance of the electrode was extremely low. The above-mentioned electric property low power density ensures the safety of operation of the original device. However, when a surface of the electrodes, the user would get easy but somewhat annoying shock.

Neurofen-XI converts incoming non-linear acoustic information in the signal amplified in the time domain. Then this signal is fed to a pair of ceramic electrodes with a high dielectric that are in contact with the scalp. The electric field (with RMS value of about 20 volts) interacts with a combination of ceramic skin electrodes, causing vibrations of molecules of the skin. Then they are processed by the brain.


1. With amplifier hi-fi was connected increase autotransformer. Peak-to-peak output voltage autotransformer was approximately 1500 volts. The quality of the sound was very low, with large distortion and lack of volume. Perceived with a loud and clear signal when the amplifier was overloaded and was generated rectangular signals. On the oscillogram of the signal emissions "ringing" or damped oscillation waves at frequencies of 40-50 kHz. (Flanagan, Life Magazine 14 Sep 1962).
2. The amplitude-modulated signal is then fed to the Converter high frequency with a flat frequency characteristic in the frequency range 20-100 kHz. The output signal was amplitude modulated carrier with double amplitude of 2000 volts (Flanagan patent No. 3393279, 1968)
3. The audio signal is pulse width-modulated rectangular carrier with a frequency of 50 kHz. The output signal is rectangular with an increased to 50 volt voltage. This signal is supplied to the body by means of piezoceramic disks made of lead zirconium titanate (Flanagan patent No. 3647970, 1972)
4. Then the audio signal - pulse width modulated rectangular carrier 45 kHz double-differentialsa (treated 2 differentiator circuits). The output signal rises to the RMS value of 60 volts. This signal is supplied to the body by means of piezo-ceramic disks (Radio Shack type) (brass side to skin, red lead wire is connected to the circuit). (Info obtained from various researchers)
5. Audio differentialsa and goes to the section which clips everything to the square-wave signal, and then converted to 40 volt pulses which is then passed zero crossing detector (comparator). The sensor electrode Board with a diameter of one inch, made of lead zirconium titanate (piezoelectric discs) (Visser, U.S. patent No. 4545065).
6. The audio signal modulated on a carrier of 100 kHz and amplified in power, then sent to the antenna. Near the antenna can make the sound through the headphones, far heard nothing, no contact with the antenna there (approx 1970's) Laser Sound System, Inc., 438 B. Cypris, Glendale, Ca 91204... also Intelectron Corp., 432 W 57th St., New York, NY, 10036.
7. Another device based on a miniature amplifier big power, amplifying the audio information directly, without any rectangular signals or carriers. Transducers - piezoelectric transducers on ceramic bases. The sound is good quality (headset plays the sound not very good quality) seems to be emanating approximately from the middle of your brain (www.throne.com)(GROC BOX(R)).
How to use nanomachine:
1. Tightly attach the copper to the plane of the electrodes (uncoated or ceramics) to the place above the shoulders. Suitable surface side of the neck or at a distance of approximately 1-2 cm from the midline of the ears.
2. Install sound input device (stereo tape or CD player) to the lowest level and then increase it to the maximum possible, but without feeling in contact with the electrode. You should hear an external sound emanating from the placement of the electrodes. This is normal.
3. During the first week of use cover the external ears ear ear. During this time, your brain will turn their attention to the inner sound.


The maximum electric field communication with the skin is achieved in the manufacture of drives-converters of titanate of Zirconia, which have the same dielectric constant to that of human skin. If you put an ordinary medical stethoscope on the skin next to one of the drives of the converters at that time, as neurofen works, you can feel vibrations on the skin caused negligible electric field of the drive Converter.

In the first neurophone amplitude-modulated radio wave in volts 3000 carried the signal to a pair of insulated electrodes, which were located on the subject's head. Modern neurophone voltage is converted into a rectangular signal with an amplitude of 50 volts. This signal is supplied to the body by means of ceramic discs (zirconium titanate). Ceramic disks allow the energy field to affect the skin without electric current. A small electric field causes the skin to vibrate internally in the same rhythm as excitation. Intradermal vibration may hear the other, putting his own ears to the skin near the point of contact with the electrode. Vibration, however, not strong enough to force to vibrate the bone below the skin surface

Pizeo: Need 2 - 1" dia Lead Zirconium Titanate Piezos with only 1 side metal
plated for wire connection.(less external sound, easier to percieve internal
sound)...Also try radio shack''s piezos #273-073 (brass plate to skin, red
wire to circuit). Use piezos from musical greeting cards also - - there is something about the sensors from piezo printer...... I think so - take a ceramic Kander from about $ 2 in diameter with one hand to rip off the tape and connect to the device.<

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Post by Экко » Thu Jul 15, 2010 18:42

that's not clear, the electrodes are isolated to the "current beat". Then why they are if there is no electrical contact with the skin?
Yes, a good pattern at the bottom. Only here for microga "383"? it would be nice to find datasheets and see what it collected and what the output signal. The triangle looks like it's just operational amp

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Post by Тапка » Thu Jul 15, 2010 20:32

Skin has piezo-electric properties. If you exert vibration or rubbed, it generates electric signals and a plane wave.

When you use Neurofen skin vibrates at the amplitude of the modulated carrier ultrasonic frequency of 40 kHz and translates into sound the electrical signals through multiple channels going to the brain.

and microga 383 - Etosha so LM383 there is a description of each neurophone is.

IC1_________LM383 8 Watt Amp IC

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Post by Экко » Thu Jul 15, 2010 21:52

LM383 - Low Noise PREAMPLIFIER FOR TAPE PLAYBACK SYSTEMS//7 WATT AUDIO POWER AMPLIFIER

and how, then, does the scheme then? a little amplified audio signal is supplied to plasticky and all??[/quote]

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Post by Тапка » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:24

May be this type of amplifier is ALREADY MODULATED signal XS.

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Post by Тапка » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:26

7. Another device based on a miniature amplifier big power, amplifying the audio information directly, without any rectangular signals or carriers. Transducers - piezoelectric transducers on ceramic bases. The sound is good quality (headset plays the sound not very good quality) seems to be emanating approximately from the middle of your brain (www.throne.com)(GROC BOX(R)).

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Post by Экко » Sat Jul 17, 2010 20:21

in short I went to radio shack, qualified, tried to buy plasticky, I was told that I did not understand the question, and this voltage pestikov can not be. Can replace a stand-copper?

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Post by Тапка » Sat Jul 17, 2010 20:48

Pizeo: Need 2 - 1" dia Lead Zirconium Titanate Piezos with only 1 side metal
plated for wire connection.(less external sound, easier to percieve internal
sound)...Also try radio shack''s piezos #273-073 (brass plate to skin, red
wire to circuit). Use piezos from musical greeting cards also -


Do syet and found this model http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... Id=2062402 . model Model: 273-073 |.

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Post by Тапка » Sat Jul 17, 2010 20:51

Mona to try and plate copper insulated but the current naprugu have 3 thousand volts .

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Post by Экко » Sat Jul 17, 2010 21:10

naprugu have 3 thousand volts .
you can try don't need a TV to use. We are interested in line scan. As is known, the frequency of 15 625 Hz. There is a generator (TGSR), his signal goes to the amplifier (vksr), then to the transformer output string, multiplier, and finally to the accelerating electrode of the kinescope. voltage in the range of 3 to 6 kV.
It can be useful? you can try to change the frequency to 30 kHz, and in front of the generator to supply the modulator.
Or let's say you take only the amplifier.
Of course, the transistor amplifier will amplify not more than the voltage that it filed, and therefore, we need to be even and power supply with high voltage. You can even unsubscribe from it, put the transformer. The higher the frequency, the smaller it is in size, less turns, more gain.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Sun Jul 18, 2010 15:25

Экко wrote:short I went to radio shack, qualified, tried to buy plasticky, I was told that I did not understand the question, and this voltage pestikov can not be. Can replace a stand-copper?
Not to be confused. :) It is a completely different scheme and principles of work. The first device was a scheme which used amplitudemodulated very high voltage (primitive diode voltage amplifier, used in the devices "a La Chizhevskiy's luster"), and audio (mono) for better legibility walked to the electrodes in the opposite phase. The electrode was a metal sponges for cleaning pots, placed in plastic bags.
After working with the dolphins to Langano thought to modulate the ultrasound (and more due to problems they are even FDA, which does not permit this thing for widespread use in humans). The new device has no high voltage, and everything is subject to the peculiarities of work with pietistically (zirconium titanate - piezoelectric).
I knowingly gave You a link - there we are all quite detailed, if you carefully read... :?
By the way, in the first embodiment, the electrodes even in the ass to sculpt - it was still heard in my head. :) In the second - only on the head. :?
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Post by Экко » Sun Jul 18, 2010 18:04

well, something becomes clear. But not quite, not enough specific technical specifications. For example, for the signal supplied to plasticky?

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Post by Экко » Mon Jul 19, 2010 17:27

I watched plasticky, they have a resonant frequency, and it is about a few kHz. Is this normal or need to be 40kHz?
in the bottom-most pattern is written that you can take plasticky of musical cards.. tempting. only they all have the same two pins, but the diagram is drawn one.. again neponyatki :roll:

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Post by Тапка » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:15

you just have to make shamhu etu with plastinkami and check

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Post by Экко » Tue Jul 20, 2010 17:12

I bought pietistically Foty then I will do, hooked up to 16w usiku when you take a hand, finger feel painful tingling, no sound (in my head), external (from a disk) is audible
also the modulated sound frequency is 18 KHz in the audio editor, the effect is the same. and applied to the forehead, and the teeth (there was a sharp pain when touched), generally applied everywhere, but the odd sound dumb :(

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Post by Экко » Tue Jul 20, 2010 18:46

Ie echofon = narion? and it is not specified carrier frequency
and he has headphones instead of pietistically. Although it says that is effect on the skin

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Tue Jul 20, 2010 18:54

There are speakers and headphones. Schemes vary slightly but the principle is.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Tue Jul 20, 2010 19:09

Can promote your Echofon and take a picture of the schema (but not promise fast - moving :? ).

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Post by Экко » Tue Jul 20, 2010 19:31

Yes, I have the principle in detail. And I do not understand why not work? Maybe the frequency should not 18kHz and 40kHz? Although it was written that you can apply even just the amplified sound signal. To calculate the circuit without problems, would know the options and be sure that will work, and that the Assembly process is labor intensive, do not want to try in vain

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Tue Jul 20, 2010 19:49

In electronics I have little understanding (as picked up through life :oops: ). Can measure somewhere that it is necessary at the output (for details, tell me - what and how? :))
I think an interesting idea to revive this topic in Russia - a useful, though specific device.

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Post by Экко » Tue Jul 20, 2010 19:53

well, speaking of chess, I would still neurofen to do. I have such characteristics as the type of signal at the output (am. modulated or other), the carrier frequency.
Echofon without headphones will work?
Maybe trying somewhere that it is necessary at the output
will only fit the waveform

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Tue Jul 20, 2010 20:04

Экко wrote:well, speaking of chess, I would still neurofen to do. I have such characteristics as the type of signal at the output (am. modulated or other), the carrier frequency.
Echofon without headphones will work?
Maybe trying somewhere that it is necessary at the output
will only fit the waveform
Okay, will have to turn to old friends, but soon I promise. Pomeroy and Echofon and Neurofen - I also wonder...

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