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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by Михаил_ » Fri Jul 11, 2014 15:54

АМТ wrote:Misch, effect reluctance to smoke sustainable?
Well, it is certainly possible to score :) on top :) if you really want to...
well, the social fetish of this does not happens, the physiological side has gone.
but there is a trick in the mix on pure xenon effect I think will be on the 20th time :)

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Post by СтАвР » Fri Jul 11, 2014 16:07

ЗУРАБ. wrote:This is what I think you can also do this to simplify equipment for the home.Buy the cylinder kit, foot pump,2-3M hose for propane and large rubber balls,they are one meter in diameter are well and then pumped to the xenon half and air the same number (not hard I think to calculate the proportion of air xenon mathematically according to the volume of a sphere by measuring its construction tape) tie the hose to the balloon and breathe it all lying on the bed.
yeah, and then suddenly, unexpectedly, we learn that in this world you have not
ekstrimal...
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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by СтАвР » Fri Jul 11, 2014 16:10

Михаил_ wrote: but there is a trick in the mix on pure xenon effect I think will be on the 20th time :)
it proporciona a mixture of different gases?

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Post by Михаил_ » Fri Jul 11, 2014 16:15

It is a mixture and the sequence too.
As for example for the normal operation of xenon therapy there are a number of the almost mandatory starting again with a diet(!) to the fact as she begins inhalation (kalamburchik written) ... namely de nitroanisole (breathing oxygen to wash nitrogen out of the blood cells).
And for complex mixtures has its own rules and you can get a variety of effects.

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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by ПрактикОМ » Sun Jul 13, 2014 14:47

Today is the second time I went to xenon. Can't understand how You get there 30-40 minutes they breathe? Me in the 6th minute already breathing hard. Contour is not enough, I want a deeper inhale and exhale, and pear, this allows. It gets hard, I want to tear off the mask and breathe deeply.

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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jul 13, 2014 15:40

What the hell? where did you go? it is a sign of excess CO2 in the mixture, which means it sucks (or different to x) of the absorber, t/e/ exhaust or analicia in the circuit....
Under normal circuit can be at least 2 hours, though as much as necessary to breathe, but I usually add oxygen in manual mode (breathing bag loses weight due to the absorption of CO2 and due to the fact that xenon and / or other gases from interten it absorbed light and out of the respiratory volume), because even on good gear fails is to put micropackage....

The bags come in different sizes. Medical are 2 and 3 liters, (well, more 1l-children), on eBay you can find a larger volume of black-and-latex :) this greeting from the lovers of bdsm :) nevertheless, it is suitable for use.
BUT .... the fact that "not enough bags" suggests that despite the presence of a mixture (in a normal person can easily breathe a volume much smaller than 2n even when highly-developed lungs), is the stimulation of nerve centers due to CO2 - it is the presence of carbon dioxide in the lungs triggers the breathing reflex makes us try to breathe. If the breath still have carbon dioxide in excessive proportion, that bag will be missed. (well, or alternatively may feel that "hard to breathe").
When talking about the glorious holotropic - it is necessary in a forehead to speak - infection replace your cartridge filter and return the money for the procedure or repeat it. Sensitivity to CO2 at all a little different and one may be normal, while others are stuffy.

However this may be due (in part) by contour design. I specially made two-valve, so that the mixture is guaranteed to circulate in a circle. Due to the presence of the bag, with the classic med circuit with one valve (correct me if I'm wrong) where it is not put - things don't turn out perfectly (well enough in the mind to simulate the process and it becomes clear why the return line can go from a bag at wydajemy hose-tract if the valve after the bag or tank line with CO2 can go in a bag if the bag after the valve, both options are not optimal - will be poorly absorbed CO2)
In General I have no such problem, however, and the sessions were not his, although at the same time the presence of another person the problem was, only not in the "volume" as well as the feeling of "hard to breathe". On my version does not have this problem.<

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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jul 13, 2014 15:47

Actually, to save xenon I sometimes do the stomach-a mixture of a small amount (a little more than a liter in an amount of about half a liter of xenon) - the effects are the same, but the length of the session-less (faster xenon ends-absorbed) - volume in this case is quite enough... well, if you do not artificially overly deep breaths, normal breathing the average at least in my device pomeron - about half a liter, the surface - less than 100ml (device doesn't register there for sure), but the surface through the breathing circuit does not work because of his slight breathing resistance (it is due to hoses and sink of CO2 through the filling which you exhale breathe).
Absorber by the way sometimes you have to shake - it is compressed faster than terminates due to the moisture inside and creates excessive exhalation resistance - almost a simulator Frolova together with xenon for a couple :)

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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by ПрактикОМ » Sun Jul 13, 2014 17:20

I pass procedures in the dental clinic we have in Ekaterinburg. The guy is a doctor who conducts it, is very nice, adequate man. Doing everything carefully, meticulously. It is evident that for him it is not just a job for money, and he was curious to what it gives effects.
Breathe not so much hard, as is feeling short of breath, I want more. This consciousness is sailing very much, ISS generally grown as drugs, without the side effects of unnecessary. The voice of the doctor during the procedure coming from somewhere far away, the space around becomes unreal. But I want to breathe stronger and stronger. Maybe my body is not yet restored so cool like You? Or Your friends are "normal" people, too, 30 minutes of breathing?

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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jul 13, 2014 19:43

The oxygen sensor on the device have? The CO2 absorber in the circuit is (tin of pellets)?
information is not enough. Inhalation for 2 hours do to ordinary people. 2 (TWO HOURS)! for example, in the case of the treatment of drug addiction and other .... daily 2 month for 2 hours.
It's in a scientific report read. In any normal installation on classical or semi-closed anesthetic circuit with CO2 absorber. With mask are to be used during lengthy operations that can take hours( and dozens of hours, including under xenon anesthesia). While there is only replace the CO2 sorbent and the fluid traps on the middle parts of the tubing set and replace them.
There is no problem to breathe as long as you want until you get bored, if the composition of the MIXTURE is maintained within the permissible limits, namely:
oxygen in abundance (at least air 21%), xenon is LESS than 71% (because 71 - the minimum anesthetic concentration causing complete blackout), CO2 - trace quantities in the air (because when a few percent of the body reacts frantically wants to breathe, even if the lack of oxygen - that's the way our breathing reflex). Other gases - at the Minimes unless defined otherwise specifically (otherwise the effectiveness of treatment falls), for this reason, the first deep EXHALE, then begin to breathe pure oxygen and breathe it a few minutes and then, preferably on the exhale and holding the breath change oxygen to clean and add xenon.
Then the maximum efficiency.


You described like three options:
1) in a mixture of real-time oxygen is not added in a proper amount (must be a small flow of gas all the time, or just a large - impulse usually hands performing the procedure)
2) from a mixture of CO2 is not removed or is not properly removed. It is highly likely that (time dentist)
is here any such thing com/watch?v=psiNc3A7CnM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psiNc3A7CnM
if you carefully watch the video - where the sorbent poured in maaaaaaany the bottle doesn't flow type. This is nonsense. It will be something to absorb a little bit, this circuit is suitable for 3-5 minutes inhalation before a dental session but not normal therapy!
It turns out that there is no absorption of CO2 and after some time due to its excess in the circuit, there is a feeling not a grasp of air (the desire to breathe - a reflex result of excess CO2)
here is a typical circuit for operating
http://www.intersurgical.ru/products/ci ... -soda-lime

the photo shows that the Bank - flow, and significant amount of of square. In addition, typically, the circuit - reversing valve.
3) well, there is a third option - an excess of xenon and oxygen deprivation, the desire to breathe deeply - the result of hypoxic hypoxia ( :) is the correct term to indicate the source of hypoxia - lack of oxygen)
Do the same Pipchenko xenon is not just "kaboom" and under his careful supervision - he barely adds and asks your reaction at the appointed sign - this is usually such as to raise the arm and twist your palm is enough xenon, all individual threshold of sensitivity. T/e/ there is no need to pour gas to "everything swam before my eyes"....
In this version as You currently have (if you breathe in a large amount of gas for a few minutes) out throwing money and their office in a literal sense - to the wind.....
Gas is a lot less to spend or therapy for the same amount of gas a few times or simply much longer.

If I'm right and the fact that it's a camera "stacks" with a very funny cartridge for absorbing CO2, then in principle it is possible to "cure" by placing between the mask and the tube (for example together with or instead of bactericidal cartridge) jar of standard nozzles with soda lime.
The nozzles can be recovered from spent cartridges. Soda lime is cheap and should be in the office to be time they service your machine, and the Bank suitable household plastic 0.4-0.6 liters with a tight lid. In the bottom and lid to make holes for bonding of pipes or parts of a disassembled filter from the back side to attach the net a La a nylon stocking (to granules and dust of lime do not slide in the tube).
Ffffce..... This will fix this drawback. Well, if allowed to do so.<

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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by ПрактикОМ » Sun Jul 13, 2014 20:27

The sensor is, the absorber is. Not to say that the device is exactly the same but very similar. Yes, the sorbent poured in a small can, undrained.
Thank you for such a detailed response. Immediately all became clear. In my case of the described options, the most suitable 2nd.

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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jul 13, 2014 21:29

Yes, if the capacity of the absorber does not flow, then option 2, is to explain to the doctor this feature of his machine for a very short procedure with a large volume of xenon (causing anesthesia), for the other cases shown (including on the basis of accumulated scientific medical experience) a slightly smaller percentage of xenon, but significantly longer inhalation (for example - hernia 30 minutes and drug =2 hours, 30 minutes is not enough apparently).
T/e/ objectively 20-40 minutes seems optimum (what's written and according to a doctor at a Moscow clinic working with these procedures).
For this purpose, the sink just needs to be running - even the one that they have is rather ticked about what he is... a real working sink is 0.5 in the Bank much warmed up already from a few breaths, moisturizes and warms the working mixture (well, if the hoses are long, she will have time to cool down.)

Ask your doctor slowly increase the concentration of xenon (this time) and to consider dorabotal circuit including the flow capacity of the absorber (the two), alternatively, you can regular anesthesia circuit (see the above example) to include is not fundamentally difficult.
At the same time I would recommend to ask your doctor to write a "flattering" review manufacturer :) put a jar funny side :)
By the way there is still the problem that the doctor was not professional anesthesiolog most likely, namely the dentist? He did not think so go with what is your reaction...

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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by ЗОМБИ » Mon Jul 14, 2014 18:08

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I strongly recommend such a thing to try, and then to collect for personal use, I think that in conjunction a Rule-Xenon-EP the tower will tear all and all
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I tried once, I kept very low, just 20 minutes... the effect is comparable to pohlopyvaniem (whole body prohlopyvayut hands to congestion, such as the addition of channels) i.e. a feeling that something from inside vklyuchili right and starts to shake from the inside, from the solar plexus, izmeneny generally clear and the main effect lasts for TWO days!

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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by АКВО » Mon Jul 14, 2014 18:17

As soon as people are not perverted... :)
Whip included? :) :)

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Mon Jul 14, 2014 18:24

that there is no way to achieve, i.e., the stretching of the whole body at the same time...

effect by the way is a perfect alignment of the body i.e. the consequences of sitting at the computer, can injury any residual removed at all... in short I flew, not walked

the whip is included on request, if people clap, I think will only get better... where I hung, who conducted the procedure the person makes more and more rolling with the stick all the muscles... until the periosteum is aiming...

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Post by АлексейН » Mon Jul 14, 2014 19:19

the effect on the rule more from stretching and "run" lymph

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Post by максзасорин » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:39

"I strongly recommend such a thing to try, and then to collect for personal use, I think that in conjunction a Rule-Xenon-EP the tower will tear everyone and everything"

Hello!
And recall, please, what is EP? And where in Moscow time it is possible the session for the rule to pass? Yandex will help, but I want people tested! Thank you!

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Post by Михаил_ » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:43

1) cylinders with conservation (for 3000r for 2 link) it's just oxygen inhaler no outline - only useful a couple of cylinders but when you reload (or rather during the first charge), they'll probably have to examine ( done for cylinders every few years), because it is a small coin tankers will take. This is not a circuit.
2) polarkon (circuit for 20tr) this loop, as written with conservation. Is not ready the device for inhalation, a device for clinical anesthesia. What there will need to be developed and process is not clear. Probably all :)
3) the instrument has not yet come and they are not enrolled (enrolled but not all).
4) the anti-doping committees can be subverted - but it does not help :) the trick is that to determine the xenon is impossible after a few hours, and the effect can last up to several weeks :) and sometimes months. Objectively, people with videlco GDV and show the immeasurable growth of the cocoon and its alignment. But at the same time removing psihosomaticheskoy blocks or updating them on a physical level (up to effects when I want a massage).
5) material has accumulated and will be. Including mixtures and application to relevant topics.
that's all for now....
Tomorrow I will try to do all the stunt videos.

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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by АМТ » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:46

Stavr The situation with athletes is quite different and for comparison with other aspects of life and the use of inert gases in General, any side will not work. I decided to slow down this sport due to the ever-increasing proliferation in some types become virtually ubiquitous. Given the obvious effects on physical condition - a logical and with the current paradigm of the fight against doping, the right move. Moreover (and this is all relevant to - understand) to disconnect only the part of usage, what happens during / before the start of the competition (Michael above rightly notes that track usage in the training process is practically impossible). So it's not all far from the usage, but want to unhook the ones in the process. Because the situation when the intervals (in some team sports) the players breathe together for recovery, well, obviously the W is wrong, no matter how look...

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Post by Владмосква » Sat Jul 26, 2014 13:37

And remind, please, what is EP?
Of EP is "Escape space", it can be purchased in the office and use at home. There is a topic on the forum ( viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5132 ) and the description on the website MM ( http://www.mindmachine.ru/ek.htm).
And where in Moscow time it is possible the session for the rule to pass?
where Atlant put:
http://vk.com/my.atlanty
https://vk.com/topic-57414810_28516549
http://atlasprof.ru

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Post by Михаил_ » Mon Jul 28, 2014 15:06

a little about mitochondrial DNA in the light of diseases http://newsru.com/world/28jul2014/designedkids.html

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Post by Нина Жемчуг » Mon Jul 28, 2014 23:45

I have a question on acceptance of ASD, can someone faced with something similar and knows what this may mean such a reaction. My mother started to drink ASD and she immediately after the reception there is a burning sensation inside, and then outside in the neck, spine, and hands, and sharply raised pressure.

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Post by Владмосква » Tue Jul 29, 2014 13:33

Start with what dose? Let them reduce the dose. You have to start with one with which no discomfort. And gradually to increase. For EXAMPLE(!) with 0.5 ml. Burning inside - may be an overdose. And Jeanine in the neck and spine is good, start the healing process.

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Post by Нина Жемчуг » Tue Jul 29, 2014 14:41

Владмосква wrote:Start with what dose? Let them reduce the dose. You have to start with one with which no discomfort. And gradually to increase. For EXAMPLE(!) with 0.5 ml. Burning inside - may be an overdose. And Jeanine in the neck and spine is good, start the healing process.

She started with 0.5 ml per half a mug and a Cup of drinks.

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Re: Small off-topic.

Post by ПиАр » Tue Jul 29, 2014 18:03

The best course Vice versa. Let make full mug and a half drinks, then ASD will not burn the mucosa.

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Post by Михаил_ » Tue Jul 29, 2014 23:21

"burning" in the body (warming up) - I think it's normal physiologic response to ASD (as heat spreads through the body).
If there is a discomfort - to reduce the dose and drink less a few weeks. Often but a smaller dose (a quarter of a cube twice as often);
water is better to take a mug

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