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Relaxation I've always not been easy, but with the Mental Games problem became even more obvious.

I for all time is designed for relaxation instead of relaxation - to the best of their abilities strained, the feedback I acquired the way to do it with perfection

Despite the fact that no conscious efforts to increase the degree of tension I don't know, every time the indicator starts going wild almost immediately after the next reset level, and, in the end, these "steps" I have to drive yourself in tremendous stress...

I believe this mechanism is supported by such features of my character as suspiciousness and ipohondricescie. Probably plays a role, and asthenia, although it is rather a consequence of nature.

It is best when I relax do not relax Relaxation contribute to: watching movies, reading books, computer games, physical activity.

I have podumyval - and not to stop any attempts of conscious relaxation if it is counterproductive. On the other hand, the relaxation problem is only a special case of many similar manifestations and I would like to still win.

Advise how all the same to learn relaxation?

MM do you have?

..Sorry. You Enerplus.
Engage only with the machine. Visual stimulation will gradually rectify the situation.

Continued use of biofeedback anchors in tension. Yet do not continue to use bare.
Then you can decide how similiraty appeared anchor on bare.

Most importantly - relaxed. Then use only MM.

And don't try to control yourself. !!!!
Is not relaxation and it is not necessary, remove the glasses, do not strain with MM . Otherwise, another anchor will appear.

Elder

After "training" with Mind-Reflection condition is still not the best, uncontrolled tension is through the roof...
It seems that barefoot I really contraindicated, like any conscious relaxation... it's a Shame even

Andrew, can You advise how to overcome this problem?

Джедай wrote:Relaxation I always was not easy, but with the Mental Games problem became even more obvious.

I for all time is designed for relaxation instead of relaxation - to the best of their abilities strained, the feedback I acquired the way to do it with perfection

Despite the fact that no conscious efforts to increase the degree of tension I don't know, every time the indicator starts going wild almost immediately after the next reset level, and, in the end, these "steps" I have to drive yourself in tremendous stress...

I believe this mechanism is supported by such features of my character as suspiciousness and ipohondricescie. Probably plays a role, and asthenia, although it is rather a consequence of nature.

It is best when I relax do not relax Relaxation contribute to: watching movies, reading books, computer games, physical activity.

I have podumyval - and not to stop any attempts of conscious relaxation if it is counterproductive. On the other hand, the relaxation problem is only a special case of many similar manifestations and I would like to still win.

Advise how all the same to learn relaxation?

Sorry, missed...
Judging by Your post, You have a talent for managing his body and emotions (and I'm not kidding). Can you please tell us - what technique do You use for relaxation.

Andrei Patrushev

Yeah... I Have no management talent, and voltage. And from this "talent" of little use...

Relaxation techniques I have tried many, but the result is always reduced to the tension instead of relaxation. Tried:

Savasana. Not "goes". Like a lie, examine the mind's eye all the muscles, but the total voltage is only exacerbated by the fact that I have to lie still and to concentrate.

If you start to follow the breath, then quickly switch to his conscious control and mislead with the normal rhythm, making it pinched or sinhronizovani with the heartbeat, which, of course, relaxation isn't really helping.

Auditory training - almost the same complexity. No gravity, no heat call not able, thoughts jump from process to anything, the stillness and concentration - strain.

Progressive relaxation. Tried alternating tension-relaxation of muscles - nothing new to add.

Asked people to raise and release a limb to raise awareness of the fact their tension. Well - realized Beyond that it has not moved.

Yoga-Nidra. To images of the case comes because I and the initial stage of relaxation can not pass.

Pranayama. After the breathing exercises, I hardly can stop the conscious control of the breath, and breathing clearly, I change not for the better.

About meditation and say nothing when you fail to relax your body.

Alcohol. Great relaxes. But then I'm crashing such as overcompensation that I prefer not to use it.

After diligent attempts "relaxation" I usually do not calm down, increased anxiety, narushayutsya sleep. And without my efforts, I usually don't get too relaxed.

InnerPulse helps a bit to relieve tension, but not as much as would like.

What's going on with barefoot, I have already described all the problems only intensify. Also, GSR is highly dependent on the breathing, and when I try to lower the signal, they manage to "knock down" the normal rhythm of breathing.

Could not relax in the stillness and concentration, and Vice versa - be in motion and distraction of thought and focus. But this does not seem to relax, but rather to escape from stress.

Try to learn relaxation for a long time, but no progress was made. Then I do some wrong, or doing something wrong...<

And during classes bare what exactly are You doing to relax?

With biofeedback I did not specifically tried. Just tried to lower the display level.

Джедай wrote:With biofeedback I did not specifically tried. Just tried to lower the display level.

Clear.
Now just sit comfortably in a chair (or lying on the couch), and imagine (without trying) that You most naturally relaxing (hot bath, for example - what You do, of course). And remember that this is a game.

I have roughly the same problem (although I of course as many different techniques tried) - when deliberately trying to relax, even with MM does not always work (often does not work).
I have the feeling that after buying a MM out on any level and now can't get any further, as if holding something, like something you need to learn or something to change
But on the other hand, early (before the purchase of MM) and I could not imagine that I can relax.
So maybe it's just from what began to pay more attention and notice what tense.

ШДен wrote:I Have roughly the same problem (although I of course as many different techniques tried) - when deliberately trying to relax, even with MM does not always work (often does not work).
I have the feeling that after buying a MM out on any level and now can't get any further, as if holding something, like something you need to learn or something to change
But on the other hand, early (before the purchase of MM) and I could not imagine that I can relax.
So maybe it's just from what began to pay more attention and notice what tense.

Actually this is a very common issue. Since childhood, parents told: "Think what you're doing! You need to control yourself!" etc. etc.

Hello!!!
I also had the problem with the relaxation..
Not like he could not rasslabit shoulders, neck and face, although the rest was pretty well relaxed. I many ways have tried to rasslabit these areas, but received only the opposite effect..
Recently poprobyval of sanatio with a Mind-machine during sesii smile. Ie, to create their facial expressions smile. First, it was not usual, then obviously the body gets used and appears quite more comforte condition. And I created a smiling cycleops - it can be any image with a smile, the cat's consciousness produces. Indeed it helped me. I will continue to do so.
Can somebody share their unusual way of relaxing?
Many of the problems the person connects back passivated with all muscle tension, if you fully relax, it is possible to achieve a lot!!

Влад Н. wrote:Hello!!!
I also had the problem with the relaxation..
Not like he could not rasslabit shoulders, neck and face, although the rest was pretty well relaxed.

Here, here - that the muscles of the neck and face - the problem areas
Vlad, thanks for the comment - I will try as You write - let's see what happens

Yoga-Nidra. To images of the case comes because I and the initial stage of relaxation can not pass.

How long practiced?

Vlad

Long. Tried a couple of times "rotation of consciousness" and was scored as no effect is felt.

Джедай wrote:Vlad

Long. Tried a couple of times "rotation of consciousness" and was scored as no effect is felt.

This is not enough, I got the results after 2 weeks. So you want the fastest possible method of some kind?
There are no transcranial electrostimulation or chemistry can't do IMHO.

Vlad

It is not that I do not like speed, I would be glad to any, even the very slow progress.
But, as I have already explained all the relaxation techniques cause I have the opposite reaction, which, of course, is not conducive to the continuation of the practice.
Not the fastest method - at least working to find...

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Jedi

If there is some sort of device on an EEG. next, we can compare the patterns of their own and another person, whose good results in terms of relaxation.

And have patterns, or be modulated at, or feel, to reach that state.

Although... while I was writing - came the answer : but what about the r session ?
I tried, they are very powerful !

You can gain the skills of relaxation in these sessions.

But in General - I relax a little too much.

Tell me how do you manage strain.
And yet - what do you mean by the word tense ?
Opieki pliz.
From here we will start.

Джедай wrote: After "training" with Mind-Reflection condition is still not the best, uncontrolled tension is through the roof...
It seems that barefoot I really contraindicated, like any conscious relaxation... it's a Shame even

How's it going? There are some results in terms of relaxation? Time pretty much passed.

Карил wrote:How's it going? There are some results in terms of relaxation? Time pretty much passed.

"Relaxation" I will have stopped, because it was doing more harm than good.

Mind Reflection- to gather dust on the shelf (by the way - RAG too dependent on respiration, it turns out barefoot not on relaxation, but on the breath).

Mind-machine is something entirely ceased to act. In the first week of use was the relaxation, the pressure in the area of the "third eye", vivid dreams, etc. And now the buzzing, blinking, but no effect is felt...

So,it is necessary to cross the threshold... then you see that one appear in addition to the pressure in the area of the "third eye"...

Dear Andrew P
Hike I have the same problem with rasslabuha , if the EX MM was 200 now in the beginning of the game below 700 does not happen ( the opposite effect?) The "ball" hanging neither there nor here . A daughter of 11 years, all levels at once. I have nevroz CELI? Have sufficient Meditative experience to Dhramsala India in Kathmandu Nepal was held Vipassana ( 10 days of sitting meditation 10 hours a day on the default special concerns and issues, focusing not tested)
MM was involved in the alpha r11 3 times daily 21 days Guide "has launched a" 7 days ( took a break from celebrating OTHERS and holidays ), the last time d9 with mastroeni...

аурик wrote:Dear Andrew P
Hike I have the same problem with rasslabuha , if the EX MM was 200 now in the beginning of the game below 700 does not happen ( the opposite effect?) "Ball" hanging neither there nor here . A daughter of 11 years, all levels at once. I have nevroz CELI? Have sufficient Meditative experience to Dhramsala India in Kathmandu Nepal was held Vipassana ( 10 days of sitting meditation 10 hours a day on the default special concerns and issues, focusing not tested)
MM was involved in the alpha r11 3 times daily 21 days Guide "has launched a" 7 days ( took a break from celebrating OTHERS and holidays ), the last time d9 with mastroeni...

Through meditation You could reach a certain physiological limit and relaxation, respectively, the resistance of the skin... So You need to increase the sensitivity of the device. If the ball is hanging, then the opposite effect is not...