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Mind machines and vision with your eyes closed

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 21:26
by Владимир Никонов 2
Noticed that when working with mindmachines I "see" through closed eyelids and glasses mindmachine - their hands, if they move before my eyes.

How can this be? If someone moves his arms - I do not see, and their hands see.

Explanation my - brain projects the movement of the hands in the visual center.
That is, by emulating the brain knows that the hands before the eyes and gives them a sample image. Can this be?

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 14:04
by Андрей Патрушев
God knows what's really going on, but similar reports from customers I have heard... Some have argued that "see" the entire room, and some - what behind the wall.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 19:37
by Dimas
And I also hands so I see...Thought the bugs;)!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 23:59
by завершитель
Yes, Yes, definitely, hands potesta see everything. NOT BEEN STUDIED ANOMALY :shock: , stating the facts!

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 22:36
by Dimas
Only I see only when the arms move...in statics don't see what the scraps that rise from a lying position.Again, most of the images come in dynamics...

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:57
by Dimas
The strange condition began to manifest itself...When you go deeper into trance and everybody stops to itch (do not think I have one),you begin to see the letters,sometimes some lyrics..And sometimes can read what is written there,but absolutely nothing to remember.Nobody knows what it is and why it happens?Does anyone have this?

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 13:30
by Pavel
Dimas wrote:Strange condition began to manifest itself...When you go deeper into trance and everybody stops to itch (do not think I have one),you begin to see the letters,sometimes some lyrics..And sometimes can read what is written there,but absolutely nothing to remember.Nobody knows what it is and why it happens?Does anyone have this?

here you've passed the itching and made up of letters - the letters now go and see interesting! :idea: :!:

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 13:39
by Dimas
Pavel,what is IT?You do the same???What kind of letters????

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 14:49
by Pavel
Dimas wrote:Pavel,what is IT?You do the same???What kind of letters????
At the time I visited THERE (the type of OS and the astral plane) not even knowing about mindmachine: simple long-term overload of one of the hemispheres of the brain empty of information (TV, computer, music) and at night there is a sudden extraction from the physical body. And I came across the lyrics THERE, so these texts hindered my perception and reaction speed (read high-frequency vibration) - the lyrics make you vulnerable to any low frequency parasites (read negative programs, of which the urban environment is full).
If you see letters, then not yet accelerated to the speed vision of reality, of images, of different beauty and feeling of being THERE.

With drives Patrushev I synchronized the interaction of their cerebral hemispheres, and to get THERE again, you will need to go through many sessions and recordings Patrushev, just like it was with you.

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 15:01
by Андрей Кабанков
I have these "letters" often see it as once before leaving the body or entering the OS from the waking state.It can be not necessarily the letters are simple geometricheskie figure.Then of them going to a full picture of the world,where you're going.

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 15:04
by Dimas
It is strange that the letters...Apparently it's some kind of archetypal image...But maybe not...

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:46
by Щасливчик
Good day! But after some sessions you observed a similar effect, if not a secret?

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:38
by Dimas
Schaslivchik

Yes, mostly relaxation...the alpha session...

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 20:56
by Щасливчик
Dimas wrote:Schaslivchik

Yes, mostly relaxation...the alpha session...
Thank you. And the rest?
Just recently I read a report on the study of this phenomenon at the Institute of human brain RAS Natalia Bechtereva (the phenomenon of alternative vision). If interested here is the link to the article:
http://denisov.hut1.ru/stat4.html
Perhaps certain rhythms sessions mindmachine launches the right rhythms in the brain and "turns on" this is the "direct vision".

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:33
by Dimas
And direct vision of what??????Because the book in front of me did not lie,and the book itself are always very old,like vintage with a strange srchtype letters Home..I don't have one.... :oops:

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 22:57
by Владимир Никонов 2
Today once again convinced that shows your hands and feet with your eyes closed. Try it, turn on mindmachine any session and start to move my hands before my eyes. They are really visible!

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:41
by Dimas
That's strange..I was shocked at first, this effect...But still I am not inclined to think that that's what I SEE..I think the brain produces certain signals and I see them as a vision..although God knows what's really going on...

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:49
by Владимир Никонов 2
I don't see in the truest sense of the word, it is really a projection. Wrong hands before the eyes are seen. But still interesting how the brain calculates the position of the hands and displays a "display".

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 16:28
by Князевский
Никонов Владимир wrote:I don't see in the truest sense of the word, it is really a projection. Wrong hands before the eyes are seen. But still interesting how the brain calculates the position of the hands and displays a "display".
It's a phantom feeling, you can often find those who have lost an arm or a leg (i.e., had the limb for some time), after the amputation they often ached or I felt a hand\foot.
In some individuals the energy field of the limb(hand) in a critical situation, acted, i.e., a person without hands could grab the knife from the attacker. the story is similar even in Hae-files filmed, grandpa, no hands grabbed the falling from the height of his granddaughter.

Apparently during stimulation machine and is stimulated the area that is responsible for Osasuna and hand movement, so you can see the hand. I'll try tonight to see.



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Not going to write an entry. Who does not understand, read the top posts (mine and not).
As previously wrote that feeling something like a phantom. Can't Express in psychological terms. But a human language to explain try.
For the time that you master the movements of the limbs and body position in space, the brain adapts and adjusts to "see" the body in the dark. This seems to need in order that would be in an emergency situation to safely get out of it.
-- for example, in the dark to commit any true motion to strike or to dismiss.
I "watched" on hand in R05. After about 2-3 minutes I could clearly see the outline of a hand shape.
This feeling you need to develop and to fix, usually we do not look at the hands with his eyes closed.
What we feel hand sensorimotor perception, not visually demonstrates the following experience and not even one.
- Try "view" on your right hand and then both at once. The left hand is "visible" worse? Oh! Yes, you are right-handed! Just as I am. Left seen worse, probably due to the fact that the information pulses coming from it is not so often, and the brain is not so much "used to "see" it. She's not working, so use it not so handy. Try the ass (sorry) wipe is not the usual right hand, and left. In the beginning will not be easy, and then touch the motor by hand "absorbed" by the brain and visualize it will be easier. Although I wrong, "see" with your eyes closed is easier when you see the limb.
Another proof. Take in hand the remote control for the box. Look at it out. Now eyes, close - in hand (its shape) there is another silhouette. Shape like a remote? You are right...
Now you need your girlfriend, ask her to give you a hand, some thing that you haven't seen. For men it will certainly be a means of her cosmetics. For girls - a tool, such as a brace.
After this you see a blurred image of things. He was "drawn" by your imagination, those associations that you know.
For example: drill, nail, lakernik will be "drawn" to you as wand. And shadow girlfriends, will surely remind you of a box similar to a pack of cigarettes. The set of characteristic sensations (which you have already appeared for the time that you live), you will surely determine the shape of the object. The brain is probably need to in the dark the first time to determine the form, and thus approximate the function of the subject.
Now on in a dark room, sit down, close his ears with his hands and eyes attached to them skins. Your friend should enter quietly and sit down within your vision. Do you see it? They UY ya! And now you need to look for a girlfriend, remember. Then with your eyes closed you can see her outline, but if it would wave in the manner of wings, you won't see it. In order to see the hand and arm movement, you need your girlfriend to take in hand scissors and moving it to clang scissors. You hear the sound, locate the sound in space, but the hand itself is not visible. Here Pilia! What would it "see" you need to try. If you've been "friends" with his girlfriend, the proportions of her body do you have in memory, and is connected to memory, visualization and imagination, you will see the outline of hands. Especially because in my experience you already know how to look hand with his eyes closed.
And if you have a girlfriend unfamiliar sawing, then with a vision to be the problem, I think, IMHO.
Why are the scissors? First, clang is clearly. Secondly, at the subconscious level, scissors perceived threat. And the brain works better with them (girlfriend suddenly cut off coy cago? We need to work through the situation. - the brain).
Well, try it, and I'll naturally consume three tablets Torena, sit in a chair and I will see with open eyes falling like a wall and the roof to be carried away into the distant blue blue sky...
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I think you scream you know. Anyway, get used to it, I come to you for a long time.
Why you notice it vision only use machines? I think out of fear. When the stimulation was, at least, I fear, so acute vision. Apparently exposure to light is perceived by the brain as a threat, and the fact that you don't give yourself the opportunity to open your eyes, drowning in the delusion that you're in the dark and need to act according to this provision, i.e., to see with his eyes closed.
Also try the following - go for some time with the same speed. Now, remember the closest distance (10 meters). Define an access point, such as Bush, garbage, or post. Close your eyes, imagine that you see as you come to the point approach. When you think you're at the point open your eyes. Surely you have not reached it about half a meter. The visualization was implemented due to the fact that you went with the same speed and know (approximately) what will happen and when. Over time, you will definitely come to the selected point. I always do so, began in early childhood and are now making this a success. Only on long distances you make a mistake in the sense that I was swept away to the right or left side from a straight line. But this is, I think, will pass.<

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 15:28
by Dimas
Friends,received very interesting information from our customers.On a psychotherapeutic session has been demonstrated Vidin items,as well as READING the sheet of paper man,listening to some session (don't know what kind), glasses (dark and closed,premium) and headphones!!!!!!!!!!!We're all very surprised by this fact...Well we see,I sometimes the wall..But that's from the sheet to read...It's cool...

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 16:39
by Алексей А
Guys,what color glasses you use to see all of the above?

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:31
by Dimas
Alex And
I have a PV-stim and polapremium from another machine (a simpler version with two diodes on the eyes)...What points were used on cenance don't know,I have a suspicion that the glasses are (their type) does not play a special role...

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 14:49
by Алексей А
What makes my brains are numb.... See nothing-no bugs,no hands,no items...

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 14:56
by Dimas
Alex And
How long have You been working with the device?What is your age?Did You have any psycho?what type of nervous system?Was there a traumatic brain or spinal injury?It all plays a role when receiving a visionary experience.And:Long wanted to write about it,but as that is not the topic was...the Purpose of the mind-machine in the FIRST place in the TRAINING of the brain!!!!And all these effects it's like a side effect of its use.Try to learn how to be in the desired state,and the rest will follow :wink: I actually took about 8 months to start to see something...

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 15:30
by Алексей А
Yes,I understand that visuals is not an end in itself.But at least some progress indicator... 8 months is a lot... So all is not lost. Will work. You are able to reassure the sufferer.