The quality mindmachine.

Дмитрий_ · Post by **Дмитрий_** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 14:48

Good day!

I bought mindmachine InnerPulse as a gift.
Seen refrain.
Today looked closely at the body of the instrument.
Is the build quality and "refinement" are reminiscent of the heyday of the cooperative movement in the Soviet Union.
Very big doubts that such a thing can be sold in the US or Canada (or that it was produced there).
Especially the "kill" hole for charging. What is it? "Skillful hands" African-American?

http://www.onlinedisk.ru/view/271584

Citizens beware.
In General, looking at this design "vysokotemperaturnogo" of the product, have questions, and what is so "carefully" put inside of this product?

To assess all this by photos.
Posted here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/309122984/InnerPulse.rar
http://depositfiles.com/files/dotpkczqf
http://www.onlinedisk.ru/file/271580/

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 15:10

Dmitri
Well, Yes,I agree. Photosonics did not change the production line from the 80-ies. Fortunately, the quality vozdeistviya per person is not reflected.

Post by **Андрей Кабанков** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 23:04

Despite the doubts of the production is in California,in the city of long beach.
2420 Gundry Avenue Signal Hill.
At the factory photosonix visited several times in person.
Session from Photosonics ,in my opinion, by far the best.
Case design and precision manufacturing is lagging somewhat behind,but in MM the main software.which provides us the impact.About it is possible not to worry,the American consumer is well protected from substandard product.
So,I advise not to deprive a person of a gift for so you not like the holes for the power supply.

Дмитрий_ · Post by **Дмитрий_** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 23:35

If only the hole for the power supply. His entire body and a plastic impression of the quality of the product is below average. How these "design" things you can sell in the US? And what prevents to make a quality enclosure?

Post by **Андрей Кабанков** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 0:54

This small-scale production,still MM is not a mass product.
Stopping ,we can assume that the economic crisis and the location of production in one of the most prestigious cities in California,with a minimum hourly wage of the American worker,established by law,which is that Chinese will work for a few days.
Photosonix pays its employees on the Assembly 15 dollars per hour,per shift 120.
It looks like money on new housing is not enough because of high costs of production.
Now to find something in American stores are made in the USA rare.

Александр86 · Post by **Александр86** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:02

Well, Yes, cheap plastic, you want nice body and + 5000 to the cost ?
Honestly speaking striking spoiled Russian consumers, the country is home to some "buy-sell" and cannot do that.

Post by **Андрей Кабанков** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:17

MM still is somewhat different than for example a mobile phone.To approach the assessment of the MM ,in my opinion,the first is the effect which have inherent in them the session,and not by design.

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 19:24

Дмитрий_ wrote:If only the hole for the power supply. His entire body and a plastic impression of the quality of the product is below average. How these "design" things you can sell in the US? And what prevents to make a quality enclosure?

Come on... I was in the US already in 1995 more - there already then it was all Chinese and no better design could not buy something beautiful and original as Souvenirs...

Дмитрий_ · Post by **Дмитрий_** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 15:05

All kind time of day!
Reading the answers sellers of cars, I wanted to answer.

Александр86 wrote:Well, Yes cheap plastic, you want nice body and + 5000 to the cost ?
Honestly speaking striking spoiled Russian consumers, the country is home to some "buy-sell" and cannot do that.

Alexander, in my opinion, you should not write the answers, to just to write something.
This price is about $ 235 (minus the price of headphones, to a maximum of $ 50), definitely need to sign a quality case, because the price of quality case from 15 to 25 dollars.
Alexander, where do You live? Personally, I have 5 years no Russian consumers

Андрей Патрушев wrote:Yeah, come on... I was in the US already in 1995 more - there already then it was all Chinese and no better design could not buy something beautiful and original as Souvenirs...

Andrew, I was in the US in 1998. Regarding the Chinese - well, it's just not serious

What was the Chinese - the small Things? Cars? Electronics? Food?
I was struck by the fact that it was made in China, relative to what I've seen of Chinese in Moscow. The quality is not comparable. And a lot of detail - made in Egypt, Greece and so on, very good quality.

And as explained by the Americans, when I expressed my opinion about the quality of the Chinese - Yes, surprising. It's made in China, exported to American equipment and American raw materials. Due to the tax benefits for investors and wages of around 60 cents an hour - allow to obtain quality items for very reasonable money.
In addition to the quality of Chinese Americans, was struck by three things - an abundance of Japanese cars and their American derivatives (in the form of Acura, infiniti and Lexus), the lack of beautiful women and a large number of unrealistically fat people.

Actually to be honest, I have not seen things that would have looked disgusting, and had a very high-quality "internal" characteristics, but was met by beautiful things, with below average "internal" characteristics.

Therefore, based on my experiences of buying different gadgets, I have a question: "If the case is assembled poorly (see the place the stress on the plastic at the connection of the headphones and glasses, that is collected with considerable effort and of course it effects on the soldering of these outputs on the Board), for whatever reason, should be carefully soldered "inside" or that they were not damaged as a result of this Assembly?<

иван_IV · Post by **иван_IV** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 22:14

Дмитрий_ wrote:good day!
Reading the answers sellers of cars, I wanted to answer.

... in my opinion, you should not write the answers, to just to write something...
This price is about $ 235 (minus the price of headphones, to a maximum of $ 50), definitely need to sign a quality case, because the price of quality case from 15 to 25 dollars.

But, why not ask the manufacturer of this MM, what kind of bullshit they produce? (http://photosonix.com/innerpulse.htm). Not the sellers also MM made of the case.

Дмитрий_ wrote: ...Personally, I have 5 years no Russian consumers

Well. Welcome on this Chinese forum. So what do you prevent to purchase the device directly from the manufacturer? (sale MM do not, therefore benefits to protect someone do not have)

Дмитрий_ wrote:... based on my experiences of buying different gadgets, I have a question: "If the case is assembled poorly (see the place the stress on the plastic at the connection of the headphones and glasses, that is collected with considerable effort and of course it effects on the soldering of these outputs on the Board), for whatever reason, should be carefully soldered "inside" or that they were not damaged as a result of this Assembly?

Please note that with many things, sometimes Vice versa... the case is gorgeous, but inside is a mess...
Sue the manufacturer in court. What American law could work?

Post by **Владимир Никонов 2** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:11

Dimitri, I don't understand: you bought a mind machine and examine its appearance, and then draw conclusions about the internal structure. So start it finally and rate.

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 21:08

Дмитрий_ wrote:I was struck by the fact that it was made in China, relative to what I've seen of Chinese in Moscow.

Yeah, my camera broke, so I bought it plus case to him, three days later broke the camera and tapes in the case has gone spoiled - I had to take...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:40

People prozhivayushie in the North.America, I can say that,despite the fact that everything is made in China( and that,indeed, almost all) and is an official China, the people here knows that the quality is not the same as it was before, but the price tag sootvetstvennye(deshevyy) and can pass in some large magasa(walmart,costco) after 1-3 months of use,it is considered without question.
As for MM, you guys have already written, it's masarinae not automated(manual Assembly) manufacturing, and product-very spetsificheskii, sale little something to radically change the sense special is not working then everything is fine, besides, you can always download session of Andrey Patrushev and easy to use.

иван_IV · Post by **иван_IV** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:03

Дмитрий_ wrote:Logik
иван_IV wrote:And, why not ask the manufacturer of this MM, what kind of bullshit they produce?
Echo I pointeresovatsya....
The answer, I will notice, commercial literacy...

Well, as I understand it, on the forum you your requirements does not show. Was just bursts of outrage regarding appearance. And notes of doubt: is a real Innerpulse you sold.
In fact, you have received a response from both sellers and users. And the manufacturer confirmed that you have - not a fake.

And by the way... about the present "bottles of alcohol from non-drinking person": you "the drinker" present? (Be prepared for the fact that it will open.)
There are MM that looks good, but broken on the trail. day. My friend Procyon lies at home. All good, but the sunglasses were not working (the seller of "Prociono, etc." in Russia, in difference from similar sellers "Photosonics" - throw guarantee). Do not want? Beautiful thing - not ashamed to give, and what does not work... well, sorry... And a bottle of counterfeit vodka can be present, as long as the bottle is beautiful, and the fact that the person travanut: well... well - we got double-booked.

Although, what I understand you: you also have a gift to give... and you expected something completely different. Here - it's hard to argue.
Girl gift or leadership? However, I know that not necessarily.
Just, if you still decided to give MM the option now that you have on hand is a good choice, though unsightly in appearance. (There are more unsightly options from other manufacturers, some I have discovered - there soldering was perfect, and the case is very pumped up).

иван_IV · Post by **иван_IV** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:19

Anonymous wrote: You would not with the manufacturer United, and with the consumer. Especially in the part which is the place to be.. As you know the consumer is always right.

The consumer has a choice: do not like it don't eat it.
For me, the appearance of Innerpulse - come. Not chic, but I judge more on his work. It took more than a year - no complaints. And housing has not collapsed and the inscription is not washed, and works in all modes - how should...
Bought in Moscow time... (saw the appearance initially before paid).

Александр86 · Post by **Александр86** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 21:33

I also MM the appearance is not distasteful, to this topic, I even thought about it. Well, then it is quite simple and convenient, and I like to keep my MM in hand

Unless you want cheaper, but it's all and always

иван_IV · Post by **иван_IV** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 20:04

Дмитрий_ wrote:
иван_IV wrote:Well, as I understand it, on the forum you your requirements does not show. Was just bursts of outrage regarding appearance.
Resentment is too strong a word, rather puzzling.

Well, in any case, it wasn't the emotions that you hoped to purchase.

Дмитрий_ wrote:as For the alcohol, I quite well understand, was a good teacher and the olfactory component of the character . In MM do not understand. After the purchase and issue to the forum, climb on an Internet looked on the manufacturers, they are all approximately similar, at least externally.

Yes, the similarity between many MM is available. (There are even instances where appearance is reminiscent of Soviet receivers in the housing from under the soap dish...) And in its capabilities, almost all of the MM - about the same.

Дмитрий_ wrote:Causes some misunderstanding following - in fact MM is a lightweight computer with a certain software, and in my opinion, a fairly cheap laptop with similar the software wouldn't do any worse than MM, plus you can still use the screen instead of glasses or glasses to insert into the video output.

Well, in that case - two screen as flashes go separately for "each eye", it's just difficult to track without equipment... Just have to take CRT monitors, as not all LCD can produce frequencies above 75 Hz. Well, the delay time matrix/cooling of the phosphor must be considered. And, to carry a laptop+2 Monica... somewhat expensive and not as convenient.

And, the software - exists in nature. On the forum it was discussed. And, here on the forum was the scheme audiostrobe decoder to generate points. Ie, if time allows - you can do to make these points and to present them with the purchased software.
But, it is better to opt for the MM (as it was originally planned). To burn the laptop or computer is not always appropriate... and not always convenient. (especially on the road). It's already passed.

Yes, and there is doubt that improvised glasses will look aesthetically attached to Enerpulse (a gift after all). Given that in both cases the manufacture of manual labor is used.

P. S. Well, as long as MM you still have - try this device for yourself. (Be sure to read about limitations). Who knows, maybe your opinion will change for the better... or Vice versa.

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Дмитрий_ · Post by **Дмитрий_** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 17:16

иван_IV wrote:Well, as long as MM you still have - try this device for yourself.

Thanks for the detailed response. I think that MM now and I'm sure sometime I will. A question about the ColorTrack glasses to use with open or closed eyes?

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 17:24

Dmitri
Closed.

иван_IV · Post by **иван_IV** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 19:10

Дмитрий_ wrote:
иван_IV wrote:Well, as long as MM you still have - try this device for yourself.
Thanks for the detailed response. I think that MM now and I'm sure sometime I will....

If you decide to keep, then just have to try... Not shelving them, but also without too much fuss.

P. S. All points are used with your eyes closed, except for points pvStim. But pvStim - specialization, so not all they need.

Дмитрий_ · Post by **Дмитрий_** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 14:31

Thank you very much for the answers. Special thanks to the admin for the transfer, not related to the topic of innuendo

in the other intended for that section.

Today I'll try MM, I am alive and of sound mind - I will unsubscribe tomorrow

Дмитрий_ · Post by **Дмитрий_** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 15:46

Tried a 15 minute session F02, to raise "mocosos". Feels - man.
Tried on a friend (she was like Gagarin, the first in this country with the MM), also said effect is not felt.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 15:53

Dmitri
Try to start as recommended, with the R sessions.

иван_IV · Post by **иван_IV** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 16:22

Дмитрий_ wrote:feels - man.

Well, it's not supposed to Torquay... %) e, when you see a rainbow, you don't have sausage? But the very sight - pleasing to the eye and mood changes...

And in addition brain needs to get used to... slightly familiar. Therefore, the main - why should first start a session on relaxation.

PS This is how the sports hall to go... after the first class - anything is unclear, and after 3 sessions in one day - too much. %)
So no fanaticism on existing schemes.

Нетрезвый Сурдопереводчик

and will not the humor of the situation...or you're looking to replace your dependency?said Uzi then eleven times:"exercise machine","dumbbell"...you simulator Torquay?with half a year with breaks alpha session to listen on the sly.if life is going to be favorite of intoxication,the most significant effect of MM you will have chronic headache.