Mind-Machine and drugs

Drain off all negative, but with the hope that something good will sprout...
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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Wed Oct 08, 2008 13:52

ЖСЛ wrote:
Андрей Патрушев wrote:Yeah... I lagged Behind life... Now the ignorance and profanity, it appears, called by the liberality of... :cry:
Mindedness is defined only by your personal experience.

Been accumulated by the society "knowledge" - long steel brake like it as a whole and of the individual.
Understood. :(

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Post by ЖСЛ » Wed Oct 08, 2008 19:46

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ЖСЛ wrote:
Андрей Патрушев wrote:Yeah... I lagged Behind life... Now the ignorance and profanity, it appears, called by the liberality of... :cry:
Mindedness is defined only by your personal experience.

Been accumulated by the society "knowledge" - long steel brake like it as a whole and of the individual.
Understood. :(
Well, finally. And many times had to blow up your head :)

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Post by Андрей Кабанков » Wed Oct 08, 2008 22:20

ZHSL
In this forum, the promotion of drugs in any form is unacceptable.Users ,telling stories about the harmlessness of drugs, access to the forum will be closed.
My cousin started with weed.Then found her dead with a syringe in Vienna.I was a small child.My sister was 25 years old.
That's what touched personally.And how many friends who used the drugs there in this world,not enough fingers to count...
You yogis are familiar with messing with heroin addiction,but I'm more familiar with the people,whom needed daily dose, and which went on daily crime,that would make this the dose, then prison or death by overdose.
And normal people were.

In the debate on this occasion to join will not.

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Post by Ростислав » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:59

Yes, I also think this is not necessary and uncalled for! Drugs, WIMPS!

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Post by ЖСЛ » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:38

Андрей Кабанков wrote:ZHSL
In this forum, the promotion of drugs in any form is unacceptable.

And who propagandirovat? speech about the true causes of addiction. Alcohol dependence, Smoking.

In my opinion, they lie in other planes than my opponents. I'm trying to say just that. Here I cite the example of a self-sufficient man even heroin is not "catchy".
Андрей Кабанков wrote: Users ,telling stories about the harmlessness of drugs, access to the forum will be closed.

You have me confused with someone else. Give the definition of drugs.
Ростислав wrote:Yes I also think this is not necessary and uncalled for! Drugs, WIMPS!
Surprisingly, I agree with you. I will correct - addiction is the destiny of wimps.

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Post by Ростислав » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:30

ZHSL OK! az

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Post by Идущая вперед » Thu Oct 09, 2008 18:35

in the Internet there is a app it's called altered States of consciousness, LSD, marijuana, etc. by the way is built on binaural rhythms... why harass drugs and spoil your body if wait after 15 minutes of eavesdropping, you can do the same... Americans invented for your yoga posted in useful programs...
the same drug state can be achieved with the help of MM... for EXAMPLE to put audiostories and some thread strong session type (built-in session Andrei Patrushev alpha trainer or alpha-meditation) blows the roof specifically from overdose so do not advise anyone to conduct these experiments...
good weed leads to the same meditative, pensive state as the alpha session :wiz :wiz :wiz

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Post by Андрей Кабанков » Thu Oct 09, 2008 19:05

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Андрей Кабанков wrote: Users ,telling stories about the harmlessness of drugs, access to the forum will be closed.

You have me confused with someone else. Give the definition of drugs.
To me this topic is not interesting,therefore the definitions I have.
Theoretical knowledge in this field of nevelika,but in practice, seen a lot.
So ,keep in mind can be lured easily.

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Post by ЖСЛ » Thu Oct 09, 2008 22:00

Андрей Кабанков wrote: Me this topic is not interesting,therefore the definitions I have.
Even people who consider themselves experts in this field - also can not give. Confused 8)
But I prefer to talk slogans :wink:
Андрей Кабанков wrote: Theoretical knowledge in this field of nevelika,but in practice, seen a lot.
Practice I've seen.
And by the way to go in theory, but it did not impress me, as it broke with the practice completely :?

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Post by Guest » Fri Oct 10, 2008 0:23

ЖСЛ wrote:You have me confused with someone else. Give the definition of drugs.
To ruin anything, mediocrity usually require to define.

You appeliruete to their own understanding of language, but by applying here on the forum all the same General concept.
You just verbiage ... who heard "the car is red" starts "it.. well, now we shall understand what the color red, and generally give the definition of red".

requirements definitions and verbiage for this reason - never accept constructive dialogue, because the verbiage in a constructive dialogue disappears.. because it lives only in the monologue of the guy who only pretends to perceive the opinion of the opponent.

Branch "Sedona method" you turned into trash for the sake of their personality like "Oh I go to sleep.. go sleep"..

Moderators are requested to perform their functions. as for flame and offtopic, and for drugs. remember that the ability to speak is given not only to intellectuals :)

With HC. Eugene Kosh.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Fri Oct 10, 2008 18:27

ЖСЛ wrote:
Ростислав wrote:yeah yeah! Initially, the heroin addiction then LSD without traction and vodka to warm up and then yoga for balance. well! well! Alcoholics also say that you can at any time to quit drinking! But for some reason, do not throw! And you here in Vienna but without the addiction ogogo! Don't !
There is not a crib.ru, for socialnyh template bazaars.
That's right, ZHSL, look for another forum. Apart from posturing, demogogii and militant ignorance in Your posts in this forum, I no longer met.

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Post by Щёкн Итрч » Fri Oct 10, 2008 18:32

ЖСЛ wrote:which has been Accumulated by the society "knowledge" - long steel brake like it as a whole and of the individual.
I your chatter reminded me of the fable "the Pig under an oak"...

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Post by Щёкн Итрч » Fri Oct 10, 2008 18:37

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ЖСЛ wrote:You have me confused with someone else. Give the definition of drugs.
To ruin anything, mediocrity usually require to define.

You appeliruete to their own understanding of language, but by applying here on the forum all the same General concept.
You just verbiage ... who heard "the car is red" starts "it.. well, now we shall understand what the color red, and generally give the definition of red".

requirements definitions and verbiage for this reason - never accept constructive dialogue, because the verbiage in a constructive dialogue disappears.. because it lives only in the monologue of the guy who only pretends to perceive the opinion of the opponent.

Branch "Sedona method" you turned into trash for the sake of their personality like "Oh I go to sleep.. go sleep"..

Moderators are requested to perform their functions. as for flame and offtopic, and for drugs. remember that the ability to speak is given not only to intellectuals :)

With HC. Eugene Kosh.
Eugene, "do not touch manure - will not stink" (proverb):). Just a kid wandered into the serious forum and rushing self-importance, because adult guys like you Andrew, for his totally irresponsible chatter seriously react...:(

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Post by Евгений Кош » Sat Oct 11, 2008 0:47

Щёкн Итрч wrote:its absolutely irresponsible chatter seriously react...Sad
read my post and moderators :) ( chip in it)

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Post by Щёкн Итрч » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:13

Евгений Кош wrote:
Щёкн Итрч wrote:its absolutely irresponsible chatter seriously react...Sad
read my post and moderators :) ( chip in it)
Do not build illusions, Eugene. :) Owners of beneficial to have these clowns on the forum, because random people came in the first place they react, and then everyone else may be interested...

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Post by Евгений Кош » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:12

my illusions - I want to do something with them :?

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Post by ЖСЛ » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:32

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ЖСЛ wrote:You have me confused with someone else. Give the definition of drugs.
To ruin anything, mediocrity usually require to define.
Definitions require educated people, knowing that otherwise (when everyone puts in a different sense) - design, communication is impossible. One flood.
You appeliruete to their own understanding of language, but by applying here on the forum all the same General concept.
You just verbiage ... who heard "the car is red" starts "it.. well, now we shall understand what the color red, and generally give the definition of red".
requirements definitions and verbiage for this reason - never accept constructive dialogue, because the verbiage in a constructive dialogue disappears.. because it lives only in the monologue of the guy who only pretends to perceive the opinion of the opponent.
I think you should not play the fool. And to write so much, instead of the definition.
the Thread "Sedona method" you turned into trash for the sake of their personality like "Oh I go to sleep.. go sleep"..

And in that branch - I made the most important shared EXPERIENCE. Whom nobody else had. Not like you - flood usernames flame, characteristic of people - experience of not having.
the Moderators asked them to perform their functions. as for flame and offtopic, and for drugs. remember that the ability to speak is given not only to intellectuals :)
And to whom?
One of the signs of personal growth - the rejection of such words as an intellectual, intelligent man and stupid respectively. These polarities merge themselves even without Turbosonic and even ordinary people, after studying socionics.
"Mind" is totally different.

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Post by Щёкн Итрч » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:05

"The experience was necessary to him only to make new mistakes in the reaffirmation of the old" (Jerzy LEC). :lol:

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Post by ЖСЛ » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:07

Андрей Патрушев wrote:That's it, ZHSL, look for another forum. Apart from posturing, demogogii and militant ignorance in Your posts in this forum, I no longer met.
Mr Patrushev - I many times spoke you that to me is paramount to my experience. More than anything 8)

It's not my fault that my experience is contrary to your knowledge. Rather columnam. Continue still going to focus on him, so he changes lives for the better, increasing the effectiveness of 8)

You have all the chances to prove me wrong, if this is true. The more you clear the sensation, specific down to earth "here and now" and not floating in the clouds. Work mostly the lower chakras - in the pictures you can see everything. But konretiki I somehow never heard of.
Щёкн Итрч wrote: alien random people in the first place they react, and then everyone else may be interested...
Alien random people want to show off in the first place, purely gregarious instinct :wink:

Well, Yes, he feeds me well, and indeed you 8)

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Post by Щёкн Итрч » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:13

Идущая вперед wrote:the Internet has a app it's called altered States of consciousness, LSD, marijuana, etc. by the way is built on binaural rhythms... why harass drugs and spoil your body if wait after 15 minutes of eavesdropping, you can do the same... Americans invented for your yoga posted in useful programs...
the same drug state can be achieved with the help of MM... for EXAMPLE to put audiostories and some thread strong session type (built-in session Andrei Patrushev alpha trainer or alpha-meditation) blows the roof specifically from overdose so do not advise anyone to conduct these experiments...
good weed leads to the same meditative, pensive state as the alpha session :wiz :wiz :wiz
Dear, there is quite a bit to read: http://www.mindmachine.ru/viewtopic.php ... E%F1%F2%E8

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Sat Oct 11, 2008 13:45

Щёкн Итрч wrote:...because the adult guys like you Andrew, for his totally irresponsible chatter seriously react...:(
So, anyhow sorry for the guy - addicts do not live long. :cry: The question is, will he have time to understand what it all around trying to say or not... bi Now he has a standard phase, when the health is still there, plus the euphoria from the drugs. In this phase, usually no amount of persuasion do not work, no logic. Even death or injury of friends who started early, too, do not apply. Every addict somehow thinks he's not like all he dose will not increase and so stupid and not die. Hence demogogiya these and links to their own experiences and posturing. In this phase, addicts make very high opinion of himself - all the rest is a muddle and conduits empty slogans (the exception is that for members of the group, which together consume). In General, consciousness is already fully subordinated to the drugs and only works to justify use.
I just believe that something is hooked he's got in his head and at the bifurcation point will help him to choose life, not death...

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Post by ЖСЛ » Sat Oct 11, 2008 14:10

Андрей Патрушев wrote:So, still feel sorry for the guy - addicts do not live long. :cry:
Mr Patrushev, well, you be a decent human being :( Who told you that I'm a drug addict? And what do you think I sit?

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Sat Oct 11, 2008 14:28

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Андрей Патрушев wrote:So, still feel sorry for the guy - addicts do not live long. :cry:
Mr Patrushev, well, you be a decent human being :( Who told you that I'm a drug addict? And what do you think I sit?
Yes, You yourself wrote that you consume. And no matter who You wrinkle "a drug Addict" or "junkie" - the essence is the same (see above). Now I believe my experience in this matter (by the way, I suspect that I have it commensurate with the time of Your life).

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Post by ЖСЛ » Sat Oct 11, 2008 15:53

Андрей Патрушев wrote:Yes, You yourself wrote that you consume. And no matter who You wrinkle "a drug Addict" or "junkie" - the essence is the same (see above). Now I believe my experience in this matter (by the way, I suspect that I have it commensurate with the time of Your life).
And you can link where am I using?

Club drugs - used almost every fully-fledged young man. What do you mean full? Successful in life socially.

Your colleagues from different countries, seeking legalization for therapeutic purposes, because of their huge effectiveness for the treatment of people with mental problems. And you know it. In the United States was allowed, as experience yet.

Further - they are clearly divided into two groups: those who thrill to the music in the clubs and those who are alone, in a dark room, working on myself(by the way, the effect in this case, of course, completely different, no one experiences any euphoria). The result of interest to you? Or will be considered for the promotion?

Psychos they treat, but with healthy people - guess what they do?

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Sat Oct 11, 2008 17:20

ЖСЛ wrote:
Андрей Патрушев wrote:Yes, You yourself wrote that you consume. And no matter who You wrinkle "a drug Addict" or "junkie" - the essence is the same (see above). Now I believe my experience in this matter (by the way, I suspect that I have it commensurate with the time of Your life).
And you can link where am I using?

Club drugs - used almost every fully-fledged young man. What do you mean full? Successful in life socially.

Your colleagues from different countries, seeking legalization for therapeutic purposes, because of their huge effectiveness for the treatment of people with mental problems. And you know it. In the United States was allowed, as experience yet.

Further - they are clearly divided into two groups: those who thrill to the music in the clubs and those who are alone, in a dark room, working on myself(by the way, the effect in this case, of course, completely different, no one experiences any euphoria). The result of interest to you? Or will be considered for the promotion?

Psychos they treat, but with healthy people - guess what they do?
Do not dissemble! You know that all Your posts about Your drinking, I deleted because of the propaganda You drug...
No need to ship us the myths propagated in the environment of drug addicts and junkies the same. On this forum and children come...
Yes, I know that attempts were made to treat the mentally ill people of various drugs, but I also know that there is no "huge efficiency" at all, but there is some cases of spontaneous remission that even clearly ascribed to the result of drug use is not possible. But the opposite effect - emotional problems as a result of drug use (to a lesser extent, this applies to products and Your amphetamines) recorded by the clinicians effectively. However, I can not use the rumors and myths with freaky sites, and literature and, imagine, even, are co-closed reference pabia "Classification of narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances. Caused by psychological effects and consequences of use."
I was on a business trip in the US in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) - Federal Agency to combat drug trafficking. So, for the last 10 years, the United States has tightened laws to combat drugs. And if earlier there has been debate regarding the legalization of marijuana for therapeutic purposes, it is now no longer maintained. By the way this debate was lobbied not therapists, and magnates, in relation to the manufacture of paper and fabrics as obtained from hemp paper is much better quality than wood and thus a resource that renews each year. In Holland, where he tried to go the way of legalizing "light" drugs, received in the end a real social catastrophe associated with the birth and labor now employed (if not already done) of the law, significantly tightening control over drugs.
Also ask You to stop verbiage regarding the definition of drug and causes of addiction. This is also the standard tricks sellers of drugs, designed for immature children and teenagers. Each country has approved by law the lists of illegal and legal (but very strictly controlled) drugs, and these lists are "written in blood" of millions of simpletons who have bought into the standard stories of drug pushers that "if you're okay with the psyche, that habituation does not occur and, if pricked, de in the mind, not increasing the dose, it is possible to catch a buzz and even benefit from this to (another standard myth that small doses of the drug improves the mental and creative abilities). I believe that the availability of drugs is one of the main problems of the development of drug abuse in any country. And, incidentally, to the development of drug addiction in Russia has made concrete efforts "are our constant friends". In Yekaterinburg, in the years of Yeltsin's rule, not once was detained representatives of foreign intelligence services, specifically working on the creation of a network of drug trafficking.
Now, regarding Your logic. Your statement about the necessary and sufficient communication for the success of young people and their use of club drugs from the point of view of logic very similar to the expression: "the Wind is blowing from the trees sway". I would argue that in each case a specific person is successful in a certain activity due to the various qualities and circumstances, but always contrary to taking drugs.
And Your example is poor "yoga" and especially Your explanation on this issue do not stand up to scrutiny.
Thus, I consider this discussion closed and all further posts on this topic will simply be deleted. If You haven't quenched his desire to shoot the breeze about the usefulness of drugs, then You still have to look for another forum.<
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